20 fév 2016
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq</b></div><div>And they ended up with a second and a third that the trade value of zuccarello. Kreider will fetches a similar return maybe a conditional 1st if the team reach the stanley cup or if he resign with the team and a B prospect.
Stop acting like you don’t ask too much for 53 point career high second line winger. You keep asking for gurianov and a first even if dallas as block your number on the phone.</div></div>
lol look at the history of trades at the deadline buddy...
Tatar got a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick (career high of 56 points btw).
Grabner got a 2nd and a b- prospect in Rykov (career high of 52 points btw and didn't get more than 40 in the previous 6 seasons)
Ryan Hartman got more than a 1st round pick (his career high was 31 points btw)
I have never said that Kreider will get the same return as Stone..
Gurianov did not even make the top 100 in 2017 on <a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking-2017/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking-2017/</a>
In fact, since 2016 he hasn't made any list of top prospects (i only found one where he was ranked outside of the top 50 @ 51)
Brannstrom just made the top 25 (he was 21) <a href="https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-prospect-rankings-top-50-players-nhl-pipelines-2019-20/f5rpke886k4d1a2st6s5ym20x" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-prospect-rankings-top-50-players-nhl-pipelines-2019-20/f5rpke886k4d1a2st6s5ym20x</a>
Just as Kreider and Stone are very different, these two prospects are even further apart.
Stop acting like Gurianov is the next coming of Bure, Panarin, Tarasenko, Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, etc.... At MOST he'll be a kreider type player and even that's a big if.. He was a gamble @ 12th overall that did not pay off. Just like zucc's trade was, dallas gambled when there were better players on the board (Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Boeser, Aho, etc) and it did not pay off. A second and a third was not the "trade value" of zucc, that's just what it ended up being. The trade value was a 1st round pick but Rangers took a gamble and accepted the potential for less in hopes that it would turn out into TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS. Dallas wanted to resign him but he wanted too much term (they only wanted a 3 year deal) and they were one goal away from the other first rounder (remember game 7 went to OT).
Kreider is a top 6 winger and will most likely be one of the best rental forwards on the market (if not the best as the pending UFA class is weak for non-playoff projected teams) come TDL.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Could be, but at this point there are still some questions in each of their games to place them in Elite company.
Kravtsov: Tends to skate himself into trouble, I'm not sure his vision is elite enough for tier 3. Admittedly I haven't had too many viewings though.
Bouchard: Skating is only average. His vision is off the charts, he'll be a very good NHL player. Can't wait to see how he does in the AHL this year.
Dach: Consistency. He should be dominating WHL but isn't. Needs to display his abilities on every shift.
I think if these guys can dominate in their leagues this year and clean up some of their issues, they have the skill to move up a tier for sure.</div></div>
Kravtsov needed to put on weight which he did this summer.. As a ranger fan, I'll just be happy that there are a few players now that actually like having the puck on their stick.. and in terms of his vision, it is elite. He missed out on many assists in the KHL because his teammates were not that great. In terms of his points contribution percentage, it was over 25% on his team. This article shows a good breakdown of the numbers: <a href="https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019/3/18/18269630/nhl-new-york-rangers-prospects-breaking-down-vitali-kravtsovs-post-draft-season" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019/3/18/18269630/nhl-new-york-rangers-prospects-breaking-down-vitali-kravtsovs-post-draft-season</a>
Also, look at his highlights from development camp, he was all alone on a breakaway and faked a shot, deked the goalie, and dropped it to a player behind him for a wide open goal. He seems to have a very good sense of where players are and how to get it to them. He did a similar pass in traverse city against Dallas on saturday (just against the defender not the goalie) which led to a goal. Lastly, he took a shot from the right circle (he's a lefty so opposite ovechkin slot) and purposefully banked it off the goalies pad for a rebound on an empty net which Rykov easily punched home.
He is very noticeable, and us ranger fans have a reason to jump aboard the hype train. Reminds me of Kuznetsov with the creativity, hopefully he can get there in terms of production and play (without the sniff sniff)