29 jan 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>A few months ago, everyone thought that Shero and the Devils were the offseason winners by a country mile. Are we firing general managers now because what looked to be a great trade has backfired 30 some-odd games into the season? Your GM made calculated moves to acquire what were big names last summer - Subban and Gusev - and paid Simmond's price on a one-year deal. Seeing that it hasn't paid off, the Devils are free to wash their hands of the Wayne Train by season's end. These aren't the kinds of moves that GMs lose their jobs over.
Shero's 15' and 16' drafts don't look great by any stretch of the imagination, but to judge his 18' draft based solely on Ty Smith being too young for AHL minutes or expecting a 19 year-old defender to be an NHL contributor is absurd. If you want the real reason as to why the floor seemingly keeps falling out from underneath the Devils, observe their drafting record from 2005 until Shero took over. There's absolutely no quality outside of Henrique, Larsson, and Severson in that decade span. There was no foundation to the Devils: once their time was up, they were pooched, and now they're stuck in limbo until young prospects are capable of pulling this team out of the mud.
Should Shero be actively looking to do something regarding the utter lack of goaltending this team is seeing? Sure, but so are at least 15 other teams in the league right now. It's the hardest commodity to come by right now.
The Devils need to wait and observe how Shero navigates the deadline and see what specifically he gets back for Hall. If he botches that trade and there's a disconnect between ownership and management, then considering firing him is justifiable.</div></div>
I totally agree that Lou left Shero in a bad spot when he was fired, ie trading picks/ players to try and keep the team competitive in Brodeur's final years and his draft record over his last years was bad as well. However my main frustration is not much has changed, in terms of results, in the past 5 years: the Devils have finished with 84, 70, 97, 72, and whatever they will have this year. Outside of the one year with playoffs they have been a bottom 10 team for all those years.
Plus you mentioned the young prospects but the Albany/ Binghamton Devils have only made the playoffs twice in 15-16/16-17 and are currently dead last in the AHL standings. With the only big talent in the organization being Smith.
I think you are correct though that Shero shouldn't be fired till after the season.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>This is asinine. If the cost of moving okposo is more than a 2nd- he can make 6 million a year on the 4th line, sitting in the press box, or riding the bus in the ahl. If we had a late first i would listen, but we dont and in no way is a 7oa from 4 months ago the compensation for taking okposo. I dont see the sabres going for hall, i dont think they should be looking at top shelf rentals, and paying for an extended hall is a double whammy because you pay a premium to get him, then you pay for whatever extension he agrees to. If a cost controlled 7 or 8oa like mittelstadt or cozens is being included and we further may have to move reinhart to have the cap make sense, im totally out.</div></div>
Yeah it is a steep price, but my thoughts behind it was you can use the cap spaced freed up by trading Okposo to re-sign Hall and not just have dead-cap space. It is pretty much Skinner 2.0 but more expensive.
As a Devils fan just trying to maximize Hall's value and alone with Backes in BOS and Alzner in MTL, Okposo contract is up their with the worst that are still moveable, unlike Suter's and Parise's.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>I dont mind the trade to much, though Samuelsson and Cozens is a bit much. Okposo isnt that bad that im desperate to move him. Bogo's contract is expiring and hes currently LTIRd. You'd have to pick something other than Cozens. NJ isnt dealing from a position of power too, pretty much everyone knows Hall is on the block and teams only have to compete with each other to give their best offer, rather than meet NJ's demands</div></div>
I added Bogosian, since with Hall and Simmonds I think it would have put BUF over the cap if Bogosian came off the LTIR.
Also, I agree, dealing Cozens and Samuelsson is a huge gamble/ a lot as both could turn into great players. But they way I was looking at it, I am a Devils fan by the way, is that it puts BUF into a more of a contender this season, but would most likely shorten their window overall.
The trade is basically NJ giving up on the next 2-3 years and BUF going all in for the next 3-4 years with Eichel, Hall, Skinner, Ristolainen, Reinhart, and Dahlin.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>hall isn't signing an extension just because you traded him. What a ridiculous thought.
And no, he's not worth more. The second he chooses to even test the FA market all that so called value disappears.
He's worth a 1st and a b prospect.
Go look at what Stone was traded for, and he signed an extension!
You NJ fans sound as desperate as Ottawa fans last year.
You won't get anything near what you want for him.</div></div>
Karlsson, Pacioretty, Skinner, and Kane signed after being traded and didn't become UFAs, plus Stone signed one before. That is the main point for any team trying to trade for Taylor Hall, not to just have him as a rental but to sign him long term. Does that guarantee that Hall will sign with any team he gets traded to? No, but you are devaluing Hall a little, in my opinion. I think a 1st and a B-prospect is close but I can only assume their will be conditions like if he resigns their would be a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st, or if he resigns and the team makes the playoffs more is sent to the Devils.