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Punting on the season Unfair Trades

Créé par: Stan_Bowman
Date de création initiale: déc 11, 2019
Publié: Dec 11, 2019 at 11:40 am
Équipe: 2019-20 Blackhawks de Chicago
Explications
I didn't put much thought into trade logistics, but its time to call the season. We have both of our top LHD out on an already bad defense. Let the kids play. Have Bowman blame the season on injuries, and hope to get a good forward prospect in the draft.
Transactions
CHI
  1. 2020 1e round pick (TOR)
  2. 2020 3e round pick (NYR)
I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH #FREELEHNER

*pick is the sooner of the two Carolina owns.
CAR
  1. Lehner, Robin (2 500 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
I literally think there is no convincing that can be done to get Lehner signed. That is why the first move is trading him, to signify how terrible the hawks have been playing, and to show the players that their poor play is unacceptable and will be treated accordingly.
CHI
  1. Alzner, Karl
  2. 2020 2e round pick (CHI)
  3. 2021 3e round pick (CHI)
MTL
  1. Gustafsson, Erik
Détails additionnels:
2021 3rd round pick upgrades to a first if Gus resigns. Expensive, probably... but we are taking back Alzner for three years.
CHI
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
TOR
  1. Crawford, Corey (3 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Shaw, Andrew
CHI
  1. Hutchinson, Michael
TOR
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Robin Lehner: 2 500 000 $ (50%)
    • Corey Crawford: 3 000 000 $ (50%)
    Enfoui
    • Karl Alzner: 3 550 000 $ (4 625 000 $)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2020
    CHI
    TOR
    CHI
    CHI
    NYR
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    2021
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    MTL
    2022
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2381 500 000 $75 057 499 $0 $7 557 500 $6 442 501 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    CHI
    DeBrincat, Alex
    778 333 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Strome, Dylan
    863 333 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Kane, Patrick
    10 500 000 $
    AD, C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    CHI
    Saad, Brandon
    6 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    Toews, Jonathan
    10 500 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    CHI
    Kubalik, Dominik
    925 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Johnsson, Andreas
    3 400 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 4
    CHI
    Dach, Kirby
    925 000 $
    C
    RFA - 3
    CHI
    Nylander, Alexander
    863 333 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Caggiula, Drake
    1 500 000 $
    AG, C, AD
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Kämpf, David
    1 000 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Carpenter, Ryan
    1 000 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 3
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    CHI
    Määttä, Olli
    4 083 333 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    CHI
    Boqvist, Adam
    894 167 $
    DD
    RFA - 3
    TOR
    Hutchinson, Michael
    700 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    CHI
    Murphy, Connor
    3 850 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
    CHI
    Seabrook, Brent
    6 875 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    CHI
    Delia, Collin
    1 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 3
    CHI
    Gilbert, Dennis
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Ceci, Cody
    4 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    CHI
    Koekkoek, Slater
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    De Haan, Calvin
    4 550 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    CHI
    Smith, Zack
    3 250 000 $
    AG, C
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    Keith, Duncan
    5 538 462 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    CHI
    Sikura, Dylan
    750 000 $
    AG, AD, C
    RFA - 2

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    11 déc 2019 à 11 h 42
    #1
    KFTW
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    Montreal says yes and then dont re-sign Gus. Half a year of Gus and taking Alzner from them for a 2nd and 3rd. Sign them up
    niko a aimé ceci.
    11 déc 2019 à 11 h 42
    #2
    Extend Kovy 1yr2M
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    Delia's your starter
    11 déc 2019 à 11 h 44
    #3
    LGI
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    #FREELEHNER
    Stan_Bowman a aimé ceci.
    11 déc 2019 à 11 h 45
    #4
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    Leafs take that and run I hope
    11 déc 2019 à 11 h 49
    #5
    Canes Baby
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    #FREELEHNERTOCAROLINA Heart Eyes
    Stan_Bowman a aimé ceci.
    11 déc 2019 à 11 h 50
    #6
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    Montreal rejects. We have no interest in acquiring a rental and we aren't trading 1st round picks.
    11 déc 2019 à 11 h 52
    #7
    KFTW
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    Quoting: HabsForEver
    Montreal rejects. We have no interest in acquiring a rental and we aren't trading 1st round picks.


    Just make the trade dont re-sign him. All you lose is a 2nd and 3rd and you keep Gus for half a year while getting rid of 3 years of Alzner. That's a steal
    Aussie_Blackhawk a aimé ceci.
    11 déc 2019 à 11 h 58
    #8
    Hurricane Waddell
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    I know this post is about the Hawks and not the Canes, but what is the goalie situation if Lehner comes? You carry 3? You bury Reimer just when he’s starting to play well? Trade fan favorite Mrazek?

    I’m not sure I have a great opinion on this, but seems like a more complicated situation than what we have now.

    BTW - 🍺 pour one out for De Haan. Loved that guy, he just might never get past his shoulder issues. That sucks...

    Quoting: jslongo
    #FREELEHNERTOCAROLINA Heart Eyes
    11 déc 2019 à 11 h 59
    #9
    Démarrer sujet
    #NylanderTruther
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    Quoting: jslongo
    #FREELEHNERTOCAROLINA Heart Eyes


    My second favorite team. I would love to see him there.
    exo2769 a aimé ceci.
    11 déc 2019 à 12 h 01
    #10
    Go Hawks
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    The Canes and Canadiens trades are baaaaad for us. If we're going to tank, at least get good value from our assets.
    CFMan et Aussie_Blackhawk a aimé ceci.
    11 déc 2019 à 12 h 03
    #11
    Démarrer sujet
    #NylanderTruther
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    Quoting: MaxDomi13
    Delia's your starter


    Not if we are trying to lose games.
    11 déc 2019 à 12 h 06
    #12
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    Quoting: Leafs_fan13
    Leafs take that and run I hope


    Shaw's contract is too big and has too much term. I'd do Johnsson and Ceci and a 2nd next summer for Crawford and Murphy, with half salary on Crawford though.
    11 déc 2019 à 12 h 09
    #13
    exo2769
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    Quoting: Petrock83
    The Canes and Canadiens trades are baaaaad for us. If we're going to tank, at least get good value from our assets.


    I don't think that CAR trade is bad. I'd do it as a Hawks fan. Need to give assets to get assets.

    Taking on Alzner is ROUGH. I don't want that contract. I would prefer lower picks and sending Zach Smith. MTL has plenty of cap room next year.

    I'm curious what it would take for TOR to just drop their protection on the 1st.
    11 déc 2019 à 12 h 16
    #14
    Démarrer sujet
    #NylanderTruther
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    Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
    Shaw's contract is too big and has too much term. I'd do Johnsson and Ceci and a 2nd next summer for Crawford and Murphy, with half salary on Crawford though.


    Murphy is like the only good thing we have going on defense. He is untouchable for all intents and purposes.
    Aussie_Blackhawk a aimé ceci.
    11 déc 2019 à 12 h 17
    #15
    Démarrer sujet
    #NylanderTruther
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    Quoting: exo2769
    I don't think that CAR trade is bad. I'd do it as a Hawks fan. Need to give assets to get assets.

    Taking on Alzner is ROUGH. I don't want that contract. I would prefer lower picks and sending Zach Smith. MTL has plenty of cap room next year.

    I'm curious what it would take for TOR to just drop their protection on the 1st.


    The Leafs are absolutely not going to finish outside of the playoffs.
    11 déc 2019 à 12 h 28
    #16
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    Murphy is like the only good thing we have going on defense. He is untouchable for all intents and purposes.


    He shouldn't be, you should move everyone over the age of 27 for futures. Rebuild again. You guys have some good young pieces and a two year bottom out should give you all you need to come back in 4-5 years as another powerhouse. The alternative is trying to milk everything you can out of Kane and Toews and be in a similar spot you are now for a while. Mainly becuase the decline for those two is going to come at some point in the not too distant future and then your top end talent really drops off. But that is just my opinion.
    11 déc 2019 à 12 h 44
    #17
    get off my lawn...
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    Quoting: Leafs_fan13
    Leafs take that and run I hope


    I would not.
    11 déc 2019 à 12 h 57
    #18
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    That canadiens trade is awful, we cant take on alzner for 3 years.
    11 déc 2019 à 13 h 16
    #19
    exo2769
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    Modifié 11 déc 2019 à 13 h 23
    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    The Leafs are absolutely not going to finish outside of the playoffs.


    Great should cost much then...a 7th? Theres a reason the Hawks and Leafs are 7th to last and 9th to last in the rankings today.
    11 déc 2019 à 13 h 47
    #20
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    Quoting: csick
    Just make the trade dont re-sign him. All you lose is a 2nd and 3rd and you keep Gus for half a year while getting rid of 3 years of Alzner. That's a steal


    Montreal doesn't need to get rid of Alzner's contract. Bergevin doesn't do rentals, never has, never will.
    11 déc 2019 à 14 h 02
    #21
    Extend Kovy 1yr2M
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    Not if we are trying to lose games.


    Hutch will lose you more games
    11 déc 2019 à 14 h 27
    #22
    Démarrer sujet
    #NylanderTruther
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    Quoting: MaxDomi13
    Hutch will lose you more games

    Thats the plan.
    BankersBox a aimé ceci.
    11 déc 2019 à 14 h 46
    #23
    Extend Kovy 1yr2M
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    Thats the plan.


    right.
     
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