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Pooper Scooper

Créé par: Stan_Bowman
Date de création initiale: déc 10, 2019
Publié: Dec 10, 2019 at 4:17 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Blackhawks de Chicago
Explications
MTL extend Gus
Transactions
CHI
  1. Poehling, Ryan
  2. Suzuki, Nick
MTL
  1. Gustafsson, Erik
  2. Beaudin, Nicolas
  3. Nylander, Alexander
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
2021
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
MTL
2022
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $80 470 961 $0 $7 132 500 $1 029 039 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
CHI
Saad, Brandon
6 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
CHI
Toews, Jonathan
10 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
CHI
Kubalik, Dominik
925 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
CHI
DeBrincat, Alex
778 333 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
CHI
Strome, Dylan
863 333 $
C
RFA - 1
CHI
Kane, Patrick
10 500 000 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 4
CHI
Shaw, Andrew
3 900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
CHI
Dach, Kirby
925 000 $
C
RFA - 3
CHI
Smith, Zack
3 250 000 $
AG, C
NTC
UFA - 2
CHI
Kämpf, David
1 000 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
CHI
Carpenter, Ryan
1 000 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
CHI
Keith, Duncan
5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
CHI
Murphy, Connor
3 850 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
CHI
Crawford, Corey
6 000 000 $
G
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
CHI
Määttä, Olli
4 083 333 $
DG
UFA - 3
CHI
Boqvist, Adam
894 167 $
DD
RFA - 3
CHI
Lehner, Robin
5 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
CHI
De Haan, Calvin
4 550 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
CHI
Seabrook, Brent
6 875 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
CHI
Sikura, Dylan
750 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 2
CHI
Caggiula, Drake
1 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
RFA - 1
CHI
Koekkoek, Slater
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1

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10 déc 2019 à 16 h 18
#1
(v1) Ottawa GM
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There is no possible way for me to communicate how much I would never do this deal.
10 déc 2019 à 16 h 19
#2
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#NylanderTruther
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Quoting: We_Want_The_Cup
There is no possible way for me to communicate how much I would never do this deal.


There is no possible way in which I could communicate to you that wait... this is dumb.
10 déc 2019 à 16 h 20
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Quoting: We_Want_The_Cup
There is no possible way for me to communicate how much I would never do this deal.


Even if you say you wouldn’t do it, could you tell me where it goes wrong? Try to put away the player bias for a minute.
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10 déc 2019 à 16 h 30
#4
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
Even if you say you wouldn’t do it, could you tell me where it goes wrong? Try to put away the player bias for a minute.


Poehling and Suzuki have top 6 potential Suzuki maybe even top 3 . Both are either ready or a year away . Time to dump Gus was this summer . Nylanders stock has fallen . Beaudin has top 3 potential . This is a great trade for hawks that bergevin would be fired for making
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10 déc 2019 à 16 h 32
#5
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
Even if you say you wouldn’t do it, could you tell me where it goes wrong? Try to put away the player bias for a minute.

Sure. Nic Beaudin & Ryan Poehling is a positional shift between two prospects of equal value. I don't mind that.

The next part of the trade is Suzuki for Gus.
Suzuki 20 years old, future #1 or #2C, current fringe 2-to-3 C. He's on his first NHL season, meaning that most likely, he can only head upwards. His value is a 1st pick +
Gus is 27 years old, future offensive 1st pairing, current 2nd pairing. He's done some great stuff in one season, but consistency is still a question mark. His value is repeatedly quoted around 2nd + 3rd pick.
Nylander is a high-risk move, as a change of scenery hasn't helped him much. I personally have low interest in him altogether, so there's personal bias there.

Value wise, I think you're noticeably off, but not be a terribly insulting amount. It's also a situational misunderstanding issue. If the Habs are to trade Suzuki, it's to get something certain & long-term. On the flip side, Gus is likely not in the long-term horizon of CHI.

Habs would much prefer to pay 2nd + 3rd, or even 2nd + 2nd for Gus, given their context. Asking for an untouchable in Suzuki is heresy.
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10 déc 2019 à 16 h 33
#6
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Quoting: We_Want_The_Cup
Sure. Nic Beaudin & Ryan Poehling is a positional shift between two prospects of equal value. I don't mind that.

The next part of the trade is Suzuki for Gus.
Suzuki 20 years old, future #1 or #2C, current fringe 2-to-3 C. He's on his first NHL season, meaning that most likely, he can only head upwards. His value is a 1st pick +
Gus is 27 years old, future offensive 1st pairing, current 2nd pairing. He's done some great stuff in one season, but consistency is still a question mark. His value is repeatedly quoted around 2nd + 3rd pick.
Nylander is a high-risk move, as a change of scenery hasn't helped him much. I personally have low interest in him altogether, so there's personal bias there.

Value wise, I think you're noticeably off, but not be a terribly insulting amount. It's also a situational misunderstanding issue. If the Habs are to trade Suzuki, it's to get something certain & long-term. On the flip side, Gus is likely not in the long-term horizon of CHI.

Habs would much prefer to pay 2nd + 3rd, or even 2nd + 2nd for Gus, given their context. Asking for an untouchable in Suzuki is heresy.


I can respect this opinion.
10 déc 2019 à 16 h 38
#7
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Quoting: We_Want_The_Cup
Sure. Nic Beaudin & Ryan Poehling is a positional shift between two prospects of equal value. I don't mind that.

The next part of the trade is Suzuki for Gus.
Suzuki 20 years old, future #1 or #2C, current fringe 2-to-3 C. He's on his first NHL season, meaning that most likely, he can only head upwards. His value is a 1st pick +
Gus is 27 years old, future offensive 1st pairing, current 2nd pairing. He's done some great stuff in one season, but consistency is still a question mark. His value is repeatedly quoted around 2nd + 3rd pick.
Nylander is a high-risk move, as a change of scenery hasn't helped him much. I personally have low interest in him altogether, so there's personal bias there.

Value wise, I think you're noticeably off, but not be a terribly insulting amount. It's also a situational misunderstanding issue. If the Habs are to trade Suzuki, it's to get something certain & long-term. On the flip side, Gus is likely not in the long-term horizon of CHI.

Habs would much prefer to pay 2nd + 3rd, or even 2nd + 2nd for Gus, given their context. Asking for an untouchable in Suzuki is heresy.


Bold statement to call Gus a future 1st pairing defensemen. He's barely even an NHL player this season
10 déc 2019 à 16 h 52
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Bold statement to call Gus a future 1st pairing defensemen. He's barely even an NHL player this season


Bold of you to call Gus barely an NHL player this season, when that is simply untrue.
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10 déc 2019 à 16 h 54
#9
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Bold statement to call Gus a future 1st pairing defensemen. He's barely even an NHL player this season

That's just being ridiculous. You don't need to shoot down players like that just because they don't play for the bleu blanc rouge. By future 1st pairing, I mean he has the potential to be one. What's put into question is how likely he is to reach that potential consistently.
10 déc 2019 à 16 h 55
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
Bold of you to call Gus barely an NHL player this season, when that is simply untrue.


He's playing the same amount of TOI as Connor Murphy so I guess I was wrong, I still don't think he has future #1 talent.
10 déc 2019 à 16 h 56
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Quoting: We_Want_The_Cup
That's just being ridiculous. You don't need to shoot down players like that just because they don't play for the bleu blanc rouge. By future 1st pairing, I mean he has the potential to be one. What's put into question is how likely he is to reach that potential consistently.


Besides his 60 points season, what has he done to prove that? He's now 27 and on pace for 28 points this season. What makes you think he has the potential to be a future #1 guy?
10 déc 2019 à 16 h 56
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Quoting: HabsForEver
He's playing the same amount of TOI as Connor Murphy so I guess I was wrong, I still don't think he has future #1 talent.

That claim is more reasonable. Though you got to admit that 60pts last season is enticing. I wonder if Bergevin's crew has done the scouting necessary to see if that was a fluke or not (kinda like how they bet correctly on Danault, someone you'd likely have called a scrub back then)

All I'm saying is if he's done it once, he might be able to do it again. Further analysis required.
10 déc 2019 à 16 h 58
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Quoting: We_Want_The_Cup
That claim is more reasonable. Though you got to admit that 60pts last season is enticing. I wonder if Bergevin's crew has done the scouting necessary to see if that was a fluke or not (kinda like how they bet correctly on Danault, someone you'd likely have called a scrub back then)

All I'm saying is if he's done it once, he might be able to do it again. Further analysis required.


Yeah 100%. I'll leave it to Bergevin and his scouts to determine what Gus's future holds. That being said, Suzuki has to be untouchable and it would be very hard to pry Poehling from us.
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