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CHI Trade - Thoughts

Créé par: SevenLeg
Date de création initiale: nov 18, 2019
Publié: Nov 18 at 10:25 am
Équipe: 2019-20 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
Chiarot would give them more toughness on the blueline and would give them much-needed cap space for next season( their busy offseason), so would dumping Zack Smith. Habs get an upgrade on LD and Smith's contract expires in 2 years (our busy offseason).

I know its an unlikely scenario because Habs just signed Chiarot and Murphy and Maatta are more likely to be moved than De Haan
Transactions
MTL
  1. De Haan, Calvin
  2. Smith, Zack
CHI
  1. Chiarot, Ben
  2. Kulak, Brett
  3. 2020 4e round pick (WPG)
Rachats de contrats
  • Steve Mason: 1 366 667 $
Enfoui
  • Karl Alzner: 3 550 000 $ (4 625 000 $)
  • Dale Weise: 1 275 000 $ (2 350 000 $)
  • Matthew Peca: 225 000 $ (1 300 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
ANA
SJS
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $77 515 475 $0 $3 057 500 $3 984 525 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
MTL
Domi, Max
3 150 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
CHI
Smith, Zack
3 250 000 $
AG, C
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Thompson, Nate
1 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Cousins, Nick
1 000 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
CHI
De Haan, Calvin
4 550 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Mete, Victor
748 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Kinkaid, Keith
1 750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Reilly, Mike
1 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Fleury, Cale
771 666 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Weal, Jordan
1 400 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 2
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 4
MTL
Teasdale, Joël
763 333 $
C
RFA - 3
MTL
Folin, Christian
800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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18 nov à 10 h 34
#1
exo2769
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De Haan has been REALLY good for the Hawks. I can't imagine they trade him away for anything reasonable. He's not really what MTL needs either, no? Don't they need a puck moving Dman?
18 nov à 10 h 36
#2
#NylanderTruther
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I'm starting to move to the Murphy-Mitchell camp of thought when it comes to who we move in the offseason. That being said, Murphy should absolutely not be moved unless it cannot possibly be helped anymore. As for de Haan, he has been exactly what we need for Seabrook (in the sense that that pair can have its head above water). I think that If anyone is moving from Chicago for Cap reasons it has to be Matta and not the other two.

But just to say it my list of least likely to move - most likely from those guys are Murphy-de Hann-Maatta

Also, De Haan is not a top-pairing defenseman.


With all that said and done, we reject the trade offer... we got De Hann for peanuts, but that does not mean we have to trade him for some!
exo2769 et Billy739 a aimé ceci.
18 nov à 10 h 56
#3
Billy739
Rejoint: déc 2017
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De Haan cant play as much ice time as Chariot .
unlike Chariot he's on a steady decline these past few years.

Chariot every year gets better and plays more.

if we plan on missing the playoffs getting someone like De Haan is irrelevant
if we plan on making the playoffs the minutes he logs and the role he plays is needed .

The last thing we need is another LW who is struggling .
his physicality is a nice add but we need another Right handed shot to help Gallgher and Armia

without Right Handed shots we're giving up half the passing lanes on the ice

right now a player like Mckenzie Entwhistle or Slater Koekkoek who plays a similar game to Cousins would be of more interest .

Entwhistle offers us Size and Speed similar to Armia's new style of play he's known for battling along the boards and driving the net hard. 6'3 net front presence would give the Cousins-Thompson line more space and momentium .

Koekkoek is similar to Kulak but actually blocks shots and hits something Kulak is unwilling to learn .

we like getting RFA's we can build value on
last time we got one from CHI he became our top Center
18 nov à 11 h 01
#4
#NylanderTruther
Rejoint: fév 2018
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Quoting: Billy739
De Haan cant play as much ice time as Chariot .
unlike Chariot he's on a steady decline these past few years.

Chariot every year gets better and plays more.

if we plan on missing the playoffs getting someone like De Haan is irrelevant
if we plan on making the playoffs the minutes he logs and the role he plays is needed .

The last thing we need is another LW who is struggling .
his physicality is a nice add but we need another Right handed shot to help Gallgher and Armia

without Right Handed shots we're giving up half the passing lanes on the ice

right now a player like Mckenzie Entwhistle or Slater Koekkoek who plays a similar game to Cousins would be of more interest .

Entwhistle offers us Size and Speed similar to Armia's new style of play he's known for battling along the boards and driving the net hard. 6'3 net front presence would give the Cousins-Thompson line more space and momentium .

Koekkoek is similar to Kulak but actually blocks shots and hits something Kulak is unwilling to learn .

we like getting RFA's we can build value on
last time we got one from CHI he became our top Center


Please, make Slater Koekkoek your number 1 LHD. You won't regret it.
18 nov à 11 h 04
#5
Chicago
Rejoint: jun 2015
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Quoting: Billy739
De Haan cant play as much ice time as Chariot .
unlike Chariot he's on a steady decline these past few years.

Chariot every year gets better and plays more.

if we plan on missing the playoffs getting someone like De Haan is irrelevant
if we plan on making the playoffs the minutes he logs and the role he plays is needed .

The last thing we need is another LW who is struggling .
his physicality is a nice add but we need another Right handed shot to help Gallgher and Armia

without Right Handed shots we're giving up half the passing lanes on the ice

right now a player like Mckenzie Entwhistle or Slater Koekkoek who plays a similar game to Cousins would be of more interest .

Entwhistle offers us Size and Speed similar to Armia's new style of play he's known for battling along the boards and driving the net hard. 6'3 net front presence would give the Cousins-Thompson line more space and momentium .

Koekkoek is similar to Kulak but actually blocks shots and hits something Kulak is unwilling to learn .

we like getting RFA's we can build value on
last time we got one from CHI he became our top Center


If you're interested in Slater Koekkoek you need to evaluate your understanding of the game of hockey. He's been a 7D his entire career for a reason.
18 nov à 11 h 17
#6
Billy739
Rejoint: déc 2017
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
Please, make Slater Koekkoek your number 1 LHD. You won't regret it.


i am pretty sure i never even suggested it

unlike the sheep in our fanbase i'm more then comfortable with Chariot ,Weber and Petry averaging over 22 minutes a night with Mete growing into his role .

Mete struggles against Physical teams sure but that's like 4 contending teams we'll face regularly to worry about so no big deal at his age . We need someone to to play the 6th/7th D role this year so we can move on from Kulak and Reilly . Romanov will be here in April for a playoff run in which Koekkoek is just holding his seat for him as he's more physical then Emelin and a better skater/passer then Markov .

MTL doesnt need a #1 LD and the only people who think that pay no attention to our system .
Harris will be up next year but could make the jump earlier . He plays RD and LD with established Chemistry with Primeau the Heir to Price's throne in MTL

We also have Struble and Norlinder developing who offer us depth long term .
the only place we struggle in LD depth is today because Alzner's signing set us back after trading Sergachev we needed to do better and MB settled .(and he paid for it )

you guys just dont listen
you jump to **** assumptions just for a chance to talk like an adolescent
18 nov à 11 h 24
#7
Billy739
Rejoint: déc 2017
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Quoting: NickC1988
If you're interested in Slater Koekkoek you need to evaluate your understanding of the game of hockey. He's been a 7D his entire career for a reason.


you need to learn to read
not my post or team i'm just commenting
i'd never be so naive as to think CHI D can fill that role for us .
Gustafsson maybe but he's struggling hard demoted from top to bottom pair

CHI doesnt have the answers for MTL as far as top LD
but MTL doesnt need a top LD when Romanov's mere months from joining the team as his KHL's stars are UFA's and 3/6 top 6 are NHL bound most likely so this is their core's last run trying to become back to back champions . Romanov and Petry has so much potential on PP that MB is flying back and fourth to Russia to talk to Romanov making his side guarantee's if he comes over .

Koekkoek is brought on for exactly the role you sarcastically through shade at
in MTL all 4 lines play , as do all 3 pair . Due to this hard style of play there is often short term injuries making us rely on the 13th forwards and 7D more then other NHL teams as Claude Julien always has done .

we're done making the Alzner level mistakes taking other peoples trash and trying to make them top line guys as MB has said in to many media address's to count ''we will fill this void with the draft''
18 nov à 11 h 28
#8
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I'm not sure why both teams even make this trade?

From a Habs perspective, Chiarot is playing lights out good right now and is cheaper than De Haan and Kulak hasn't been great this year but is a cheap 5-6-7th dman. Plus nobody wants Smith at that cap hit.
As per above De Haan is playing well for Chicago so why are they trading him?


This is like trading Lemieux for Gretzky......like...why? This neither solves any problems or does anything better than what is currently being done already. That's not how trading works.
18 nov à 12 h 12
#9
#NylanderTruther
Rejoint: fév 2018
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Quoting: Billy739
i am pretty sure i never even suggested it

unlike the sheep in our fanbase i'm more then comfortable with Chariot ,Weber and Petry averaging over 22 minutes a night with Mete growing into his role .

Mete struggles against Physical teams sure but that's like 4 contending teams we'll face regularly to worry about so no big deal at his age . We need someone to to play the 6th/7th D role this year so we can move on from Kulak and Reilly . Romanov will be here in April for a playoff run in which Koekkoek is just holding his seat for him as he's more physical then Emelin and a better skater/passer then Markov .

MTL doesnt need a #1 LD and the only people who think that pay no attention to our system .
Harris will be up next year but could make the jump earlier . He plays RD and LD with established Chemistry with Primeau the Heir to Price's throne in MTL

We also have Struble and Norlinder developing who offer us depth long term .
the only place we struggle in LD depth is today because Alzner's signing set us back after trading Sergachev we needed to do better and MB settled .(and he paid for it )

you guys just dont listen
you jump to **** assumptions just for a chance to talk like an adolescent


You said that the last RFA you guys got from Chicago became your number 1 center. That sounds like a passive-aggressive "Adolescent" jab to me if ive ever heard one.

Previously in that statement, you said your team should be interested in KoekKoek, so im just returning the favor.

Go ahead and build up his value, Id love to see that experiment.
 
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