Forums/NHL Signings

St. Louis Blues signed Justin Faulk (7 Years / $6,500,000 AAV)

Was this a good signing?
Le graphique a été masqué

Options de sondage

 

24 sep 2019 à 15 h 12
#26
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 407
Mentions "j'aime": 176
Modifié 24 sep 2019 à 17 h 31
1-2 years too long and 0.5-1M AAV too much but that seems to be the case with these UFA deals. This is more of a replacement for Parayko on the second pair, who will move up when the Blues (likely now) let Pietrangelo test free agency. If I'm the Blues I would have rather looked to keep Pietrangelo around by simply moving Edmundson for futures (or letting him go as a UFA) and offering the 9.6M in budgeted cap space that the same two players used this season plus some of the cap inflation to get Pietrangelo under contract long term.
24 sep 2019 à 15 h 32
#27
Rejoint: mar 2017
Messages: 6,706
Mentions "j'aime": 1,499
The money is about right, but the term is at least 2 years too long. Paying this guy until he's 35 probably won't end well.
24 sep 2019 à 15 h 43
#28
Rejoint: déc 2017
Messages: 1,840
Mentions "j'aime": 778
Was this deal better or worse than the Spergeon contract?
24 sep 2019 à 15 h 44
#29
Rejoint: déc 2017
Messages: 1,840
Mentions "j'aime": 778
Seabrook 2.0
weirfanno1 a aimé ceci.
24 sep 2019 à 15 h 53
#30
Rejoint: mai 2018
Messages: 68
Mentions "j'aime": 50
Quoting: Brian2016
Was this deal better or worse than the Spergeon contract?


This is a terrible deal. Spurgeon's contract is good.
Brian2016 a aimé ceci.
24 sep 2019 à 16 h 19
#31
LongtimeLeafsufferer
Rejoint: jui 2015
Messages: 29,609
Mentions "j'aime": 7,098
Blues have 16m to sign 7 players including RFA Dunn and if they want two UFAs Schenn and Pietrangelo. So either way the Blues will getting rid of big cap players that currently on the roster.
The trade and signing. It was a pro active by the Blues to solidify their roster for next year. Yeah, I don't like the term that much.
Trickster a aimé ceci.
24 sep 2019 à 16 h 24
#32
Rejoint: jun 2017
Messages: 3,545
Mentions "j'aime": 1,157
If you’re a Blues fan, you have to hope this doesn’t mean the end of Pietrangelo in STL.
weirfanno1 a aimé ceci.
24 sep 2019 à 16 h 25
#33
Rejoint: jun 2017
Messages: 3,545
Mentions "j'aime": 1,157
Quoting: Brian2016
Seabrook 2.0


Possibly, but I actually think Faulk will age worse than Seabrook.
24 sep 2019 à 16 h 38
#34
Tom Wilson of ACGM
Rejoint: mai 2018
Messages: 3,543
Mentions "j'aime": 665
This team is going to tank after this season. Losing Pietrangelo, Schenn, maybe Bo.
24 sep 2019 à 16 h 49
#35
Jarmo Kekäläinen
Rejoint: jui 2018
Messages: 387
Mentions "j'aime": 125
Quoting: Jetman
Their captain is gone as of July...I guess


Toronto.
24 sep 2019 à 17 h 06
#36
Rejoint: avr 2017
Messages: 270
Mentions "j'aime": 170
This stinks of buyout before Year 6, maybe even sooner. As others have said, this makes signing Pietrangelo a virtual impossibility, which is odd as by almost all measures he’s a better all around D-Man than Faulk.

Dom Luszczyszyn’s player rankings in the Athletic - where he looks at the total value of each player, gives Faulk a 0.8 or “2nd Pair” (vs a 0.2 for Edmundson or “3rd Pair”) but Pietrangelo is a 2.2 or “Elite” putting him amongst the top-20 D-Men in the NhL!

So they go ahead and win the trade (or at least break even when you consider the addition of Bokk and the upgraded draft pick) but then go ahead an massively lose in signing this extension.
24 sep 2019 à 17 h 09
#37
Rejoint: avr 2017
Messages: 270
Mentions "j'aime": 170
Quoting: CN10
1-2 years too long and 0.5-1M AAV too much but that seems to be the case with these UFA deals. This is more of a replacement for Parayko on the second pair, who will move up when the Blues (likely now) let Pietrangelo test free agency. If I'm the Blues I'd rather look to keep Pietrangelo around by simply moving Edmundson for futures (or letting him go as a UFA) though.


Unfortunately Edmundson was already moved this afternoon. In the Faulk trade. 😬
24 sep 2019 à 17 h 25
#38
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 407
Mentions "j'aime": 176
Modifié 24 sep 2019 à 17 h 32
Quoting: rebecca
Unfortunately Edmundson was already moved this afternoon. In the Faulk trade. 😬


What I meant in that post is trade Edmundson for futures or minimal cap space back instead of getting Faulk, and re-sign Pietrangelo using the budget of Pietrangelo + Edmundson (9.6M), but evidently the wording was unclear so I've edited that post.
rebecca a aimé ceci.
24 sep 2019 à 17 h 40
#39
BtZ's buttercup
Rejoint: mai 2018
Messages: 3,197
Mentions "j'aime": 1,871
Too much term, not surprised at money though.
oneX a aimé ceci.
24 sep 2019 à 17 h 58
#40
habs_fan
Rejoint: jan 2018
Messages: 2,538
Mentions "j'aime": 502
and i thought the trade was bad...
24 sep 2019 à 20 h 40
#41
Rejoint: déc 2017
Messages: 1,840
Mentions "j'aime": 778
Quoting: Radovan
This is a terrible deal. Spurgeon's contract is good.


I agree. And I also think CAR won this trade hands down. Faulk is a PP specialist behind Hamilton. And they weren't gonna re-sign him anyway.
24 sep 2019 à 21 h 37
#42
GoJetsGo
Rejoint: jun 2018
Messages: 500
Mentions "j'aime": 127
Wow that's a lot for a number four guy...
24 sep 2019 à 21 h 57
#43
No regretzkys
Rejoint: aoû 2019
Messages: 237
Mentions "j'aime": 86
Quoting: Random2152
Thankfully Burke is not incharge (and we can't really). I doubt he'd come to Toronto for a similar deal to what he has now but on a 3 year deal. Not likely at all.


Honestly Leafs could afford to offer him 10x5. I would do that
24 sep 2019 à 23 h 33
#44
J.L.
Rejoint: jui 2018
Messages: 183
Mentions "j'aime": 65
What makes Faulk so bad?
Hockeyplayer1 a aimé ceci.
25 sep 2019 à 0 h 32
#45
Discord COL's GM
Rejoint: mar 2018
Messages: 6,737
Mentions "j'aime": 1,789
https://youtu.be/HCUu5ARAQzA as per Doug Armstrong first 5 years are No trade Clause Years then a M-NTC 15 Team No Trade List after @Banks @Jarvis
25 sep 2019 à 3 h 29
#46
Rejoint: mai 2018
Messages: 68
Mentions "j'aime": 50
Quoting: JonJon
What makes Faulk so bad?


He's not bad, but seems to be quite overrated. A decent powerplay option, but at 5v5, he's a second pairing defenseman at best.
25 sep 2019 à 11 h 52
#47
J.L.
Rejoint: jui 2018
Messages: 183
Mentions "j'aime": 65
Quoting: Radovan
He's not bad, but seems to be quite overrated. A decent powerplay option, but at 5v5, he's a second pairing defenseman at best.


When you use this site's compare option I can't help but notice that points per game per career seems to be what they look at. Faulk's numbers are in line with those players who have put up similar numbers.
25 sep 2019 à 12 h 19
#48
Rejoint: sep 2019
Messages: 6
Mentions "j'aime": 0
Parayko, Pietrangelo, Gunnarsson, Bouwmeester, Bortuzzo, Dunn. That’s a good defense on its own. And now Faulk? Seems suspicious...
25 sep 2019 à 12 h 38
#49
Rejoint: jui 2018
Messages: 126
Mentions "j'aime": 96
This extension is a whole lot of yuck. I mean I guess it's ok to have a back up plan if Pietrangelo leaves, but that is a pretty big downgrade, and if he leaves, wouldn't have younger cheaper talent be better than replacing him with a player that is probably going to start an immediate and steep decline.

Carolina looks amazing here. Gardiner has been a better D than Faulk in recent years, and would actually fit Carolina or St. Louis better. For Carolina to get Gardiner signed for a value deal without a lot of term, then turn Faulk into an asset, they actually come out of it with a better built blueline with more certainty and an extra prospect. Wadell has been killing it this summer.
 
Répondre
To create a post please Login or S'inscrire
Question:
Options:
Soumettre les modifications du sondage