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Minnesota Wild signed Jared Spurgeon (7 Years / $7,575,000 AAV)

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14 sep 2019 à 14 h 30
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I don't even mind the AAV, but 7 years? That's a long time for a soon-to-be 30-year-old who still has a year left on his current deal.
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14 sep 2019 à 14 h 36
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Spurgeon is a great dman–and, if you're an analytics nerd, one of the best in the league. But this is not a good contract because of its length and his age.

Had Spurgeon been two years younger, or if this deal was for only five years, it'd be good. However, that is clearly not the case.
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14 sep 2019 à 14 h 39
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Quoting: AwesomeMatthews
Can anyone argue Spurgeon is better then Provorov. Not a Flyers fan but I personally think there's way more upside in the Provorov deal


It's not even close. Provorov is also like 8 years younger.
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14 sep 2019 à 14 h 51
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I don't get why people are saying this is a great deal? The guy will be 37 when the contract is over. It's a high cap hit at an horrible lenght.

Minnesota goes older and older and this is definitely not the way of being able to finally come out of their perennial mediocrity.
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14 sep 2019 à 14 h 51
#30
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Hedman77
7M at most


The aav is okay but that term... yuck. Good see him taking this much to reduce the ter to 4-5 yrs
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14 sep 2019 à 14 h 53
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Quoting: Brian2016
It's not even close. Provorov is also like 8 years younger.


Seems like the Wild replaced Fenton with Fenton
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14 sep 2019 à 14 h 56
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Overpay
14 sep 2019 à 15 h 09
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AAV is fine, spurg is one of the best shut down dmen in the league with offense to boot, but 7 years?!?! Boy they shoulda traded him for futures...

Should have been a 3-5 year deal, even if the AAV has to go up to compensate.
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14 sep 2019 à 15 h 10
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Quoting: Radovan
The term is not ideal, but the cap hit is perfectly fine. Spurgeon is arguably the most underrated defenseman in the league.


I would argue hard he is not.

And giving him a TOP 10 NHL defenceman caphit is ridiculous.
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14 sep 2019 à 15 h 22
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Their new management isn't any better.
14 sep 2019 à 15 h 25
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Quoting: jpsnow13
I would argue hard he is not.

And giving him a TOP 10 NHL defenceman caphit is ridiculous.


It really is not ridiculous. Spurgeon is an incredible defensive defenseman while being offensively productive and driving play. How would you argue that he is not underrated?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEcUDHRX4AAMYFB?format=png&name=900x900
14 sep 2019 à 15 h 41
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Quoting: Radovan
It really is not ridiculous. Spurgeon is an incredible defensive defenseman while being offensively productive and driving play. How would you argue that he is not underrated?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEcUDHRX4AAMYFB?format=png&name=900x900


Well he is not Hedman, Carlson or Trouba (When he will get to his prime) good. But he got the same money.

Cast your vote for him for the next Norris Trophy winner if you want, but you will be the only one and that won't be because he is underrated.
14 sep 2019 à 15 h 50
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There is nothing you can do to convince me that signing a 5'9 defense man till he's 36-37 years old is a smart decision.
Especially at 7.5 million.
Can anyone name me one defense man 35+ who is 5'9???????
I can't think of one.
14 sep 2019 à 15 h 55
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7 years? Like the cap hit but that term.... oh man.
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14 sep 2019 à 15 h 57
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Spurgeon is a solid D
14 sep 2019 à 15 h 58
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Quoting: jpsnow13
Well he is not Hedman, Carlson or Trouba (When he will get to his prime) good. But he got the same money.

Cast your vote for him for the next Norris Trophy winner if you want, but you will be the only one and that won't be because he is underrated.


Sure, he's not Hedman, but he is certainly not worse than Carlson and he is much better than Trouba. He is regarded as a top ~10 defenseman in the analytics community FWIW.

I'm not saying Spurgeon is a top 3 defenseman, but this contract is fair for what he brings and the fact that so many people think it is a 'ridiculous' contract just speaks to how underrated he is.
14 sep 2019 à 16 h 02
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Quoting: Radovan
I am a Flyers fan and yes, Spurgeon is MUCH better than Provorov.


Provorov is more about the future and Spurgeon is a win now signing. Both do the opposite
14 sep 2019 à 16 h 04
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Quoting: Radovan
Sure, he's not Hedman, but he is certainly not worse than Carlson and he is much better than Trouba. He is regarded as a top ~10 defenseman in the analytics community FWIW.

I'm not saying Spurgeon is a top 3 defenseman, but this contract is fair for what he brings and the fact that so many people think it is a 'ridiculous' contract just speaks to how underrated he is.


haha come on man
14 sep 2019 à 16 h 09
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Quoting: HabsForEver
haha come on man


What do you mean?
14 sep 2019 à 16 h 14
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Awful deal for the Wild.
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14 sep 2019 à 16 h 17
#46
Lets go bolts!
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They learned nothing from Parise and Suter
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14 sep 2019 à 16 h 21
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Quoting: Random2152
AAV is fine, spurg is one of the best shut down dmen in the league with offense to boot, but 7 years?!?! Boy they shoulda traded him for futures...

Should have been a 3-5 year deal, even if the AAV has to go up to compensate.


I think I would've been fine with $9M for 4 years. But, this contract will be trade-proof in 4 years and probably buyout-proof, as well.
14 sep 2019 à 16 h 27
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Quoting: Radovan
What do you mean?


He's not anywhere close to the level of anyone around him in terms of AAV.
He's ideally a top 3 defensemen on a perfect team. Doesn't help that this contract starts around the time most defenders start toregress.
14 sep 2019 à 16 h 37
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Quoting: HabsForEver
He's not anywhere close to the level of anyone around him in terms of AAV.


He's better than OEL, Ekblad, Trouba, Carlson, Byfuglien, probably Subban and Weber, too.

Quoting: HabsForEver
He's ideally a top 3 defensemen on a perfect team.


What's a perfect team? A team with the best six defensemen in the league?

Quoting: HabsForEver
Doesn't help that this contract starts around the time most defenders start toregress.

I sort of agree with this, there's definitely a chance that the AAV will be a bit high in the last two years or so, but then again, the cap will be higher.
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14 sep 2019 à 16 h 41
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term may be brutal at the end of the contract if there ends up being a lot of signing bonuses in this.
 
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