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Dont roast me too bad avs leafs fans

Créé par: mhockey91
Date de création initiale: sep 11, 2019
Publié: Sep 11 at 11:52 am
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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TOR
  1. Makar, Cale
COL
    Marner
    Rachats de contrats
    • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
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    VGK
    TOR
    CAR
    COL
    EDM
    SJS
    STL
    WPG
    2021
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    TOR
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    2022
    TOR
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2581 500 000 $74 303 032 $0 $2 500 000 $7 196 968 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    Hyman, Zach
    2 250 000 $
    AG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Tavares, John
    11 000 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    TOR
    Kapanen, Kasperi
    3 200 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 3
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    Johnsson, Andreas
    3 400 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 4
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    Matthews, Auston
    11 634 000 $
    C
    UFA - 5
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    6 962 366 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 5
    TOR
    Mikheyev, Ilya
    925 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Kerfoot, Alexander
    3 500 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Spezza, Jason
    700 000 $
    C, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Petan, Nicolas
    775 000 $
    AG, AD, C
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Shore, Nick
    750 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
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    Moore, Trevor
    775 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 2
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    Agostino, Kenny
    737 500 $
    AG
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Gauthier, Frédérik
    675 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Åberg, Pontus
    700 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    Rielly, Morgan
    5 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Makar, Cale
    880 833 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
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    Andersen, Frederik
    5 000 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Muzzin, Jake
    4 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
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    Barrie, Tyson
    2 750 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
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    Hutchinson, Michael
    700 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Dermott, Travis
    863 333 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
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    Ceci, Cody
    4 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Harpur, Ben
    725 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Schmaltz, Jordan
    700 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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    Clarkson, David
    5 250 000 $
    AD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Horton, Nathan
    5 300 000 $
    AD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1

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    11 sep à 11 h 53
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    The water in Toronto must be really bad
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    11 sep à 11 h 53
    #2
    Cale 4 Calder
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    Thats a no from me
    11 sep à 11 h 53
    #3
    Formerly klondikebar
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    Avs fans r gonna be the one roasting
    11 sep à 11 h 57
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    I really like both players but fans gotta pump the breaks on Cale Makar. He could be amazing but he's only played 10 games so far. There is a very real possibility that he's not a bonafide top pairing, Norris winning D year after year.
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    11 sep à 11 h 57
    #5
    Démarrer sujet
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    Quoting: moli92
    Thats a no from me


    Marners proven to be an elite offensive force. Aside from a small sample size makar hasn’t proven much
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    11 sep à 12 h 00
    #6
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    This deal doesn't make sense for way too many reasons.

    1) COL is still trying to resign Rantanen. They cannot afford both.
    2) Makar had a great playoff and that's it. Chances are he'll be a top paring RHD for years to come, but other than potential and a good playoff showing not a whole lot of evidence yet. There is a much higher chance, Marner is going to continue to be a top 10 RW in this league, IMO.
    3) His salary demands are pricing him out of any market in this league. Doesn't seem like his management group is realistic.
    11 sep à 12 h 02
    #7
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    Marners proven to be an elite offensive force. Aside from a small sample size makar hasn’t proven much


    I would much rather have a reliable defenseman in a risky defense in Toronto, rather than an extra Offensive Powerhouse that wants 11 Million for 3 years.
    11 sep à 12 h 06
    #8
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    Marners proven to be an elite offensive force. Aside from a small sample size makar hasn’t proven much


    Haha yeah well we already know that marner is only a 60-70 pt guy when playing with kadri, and that he turned down 11 million for 7 years, and doesnt play defense...

    I'm going to take the chance on the guy everyone in the league thinks is going to be amazing for under 900k who plays the position we are the weakest in
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    11 sep à 12 h 14
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    Idea makes sense. Maybe an add from Colorado's end
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    11 sep à 12 h 25
    #10
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    Quoting: JeffW
    Haha yeah well we already know that marner is only a 60-70 pt guy when playing with kadri, and that he turned down 11 million for 7 years, and doesnt play defense...

    I'm going to take the chance on the guy everyone in the league thinks is going to be amazing for under 900k who plays the position we are the weakest in


    Quoting: Rodzikhockey93
    Idea makes sense. Maybe an add from Colorado's end


    I agree rodzikhockey
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    11 sep à 12 h 29
    #11
    Cale 4 Calder
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    Marners proven to be an elite offensive force. Aside from a small sample size makar hasn’t proven much


    doesnt matter, his contract rumours scare me and COL doesnt need another RW. Id rather have Makar, especially with him on an ELC for 2 more years
    11 sep à 12 h 29
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    I agree rodzikhockey


    call me crazy but what about an RFA for an RFA
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    11 sep à 12 h 51
    #13
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    Its fun how colorado fans think he is the second coming of bobby orr. In is first season expected makar to have none bigger impact then heiskanen had last year. I would do this trade only because marner contracts situation is bas because right now one on one marner is superior in any point. Makar as tremendous speed but have to work a lot on is game.
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    11 sep à 13 h 16
    #14
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    Marners proven to be an elite offensive force. Aside from a small sample size makar hasn’t proven much


    Kind of Like a Chara for Yashin deal.
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    11 sep à 14 h 03
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    Quoting: Sebybbq
    Its fun how colorado fans think he is the second coming of bobby orr. In is first season expected makar to have none bigger impact then heiskanen had last year. I would do this trade only because marner contracts situation is bas because right now one on one marner is superior in any point. Makar as tremendous speed but have to work a lot on is game.


    It's funny how leaf fans think that marner is McDavid... why would Colorado significantly damage themselves defensively for another winger that's not as good as rantanen? So that they become the new leafs who are super top heavy?

    Yeah maybe today makar isnt as good as marner, but someday makar could be a #1 RHD those are much harder to find than wingers and at 900k for 2 more seasons plus control is alot better than 12 mill at 5 years
    11 sep à 14 h 25
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    Quoting: JeffW
    It's funny how leaf fans think that marner is McDavid... why would Colorado significantly damage themselves defensively for another winger that's not as good as rantanen? So that they become the new leafs who are super top heavy?

    Yeah maybe today makar isnt as good as marner, but someday makar could be a #1 RHD those are much harder to find than wingers and at 900k for 2 more seasons plus control is alot better than 12 mill at 5 years


    You just said it yourself! Makar MIGHT BE.
    I mean personally i wouldn’t do that trade because i don’t see why colorado would want to add another top forward. But still marner hold
    More value right now. Makar could turn into a yakupov or alexandre daigle or patrick stefan. I teally doubt it but it’s not impossible.
    For the rantanen and marner comparable i mean they are actually pretty close. No one as the edge over the other. Rantanen would be a 70 point players without MacKinnon as well so saying that marner relies on tavares is exactly the same. In 240 games marner as 15 more point then rantanen but rantanen as 11 more goal. So for me its pretty even
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    11 sep à 15 h 06
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    Quoting: Sebybbq
    You just said it yourself! Makar MIGHT BE.
    I mean personally i wouldn’t do that trade because i don’t see why colorado would want to add another top forward. But still marner hold
    More value right now. Makar could turn into a yakupov or alexandre daigle or patrick stefan. I teally doubt it but it’s not impossible.
    For the rantanen and marner comparable i mean they are actually pretty close. No one as the edge over the other. Rantanen would be a 70 point players without MacKinnon as well so saying that marner relies on tavares is exactly the same. In 240 games marner as 15 more point then rantanen but rantanen as 11 more goal. So for me its pretty even


    Hahaha yeah it's possible that he could become a yakupov but it's also possible he could become a Erik Karlsson or OEL and they are harder to find than a marner, I think sakic and every avs fan would take the chance on him especially considering marners outrageous contract demands. Also I watch marner and rantanen play consistently, rantanen has broken 80 points twice something marner hasn't, hes alsongreat defensively and big, you're right in saying that they are somewhat similar but i think rantanen edges out marner.
    11 sep à 15 h 14
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    Quoting: JeffW
    Hahaha yeah it's possible that he could become a yakupov but it's also possible he could become a Erik Karlsson or OEL and they are harder to find than a marner, I think sakic and every avs fan would take the chance on him especially considering marners outrageous contract demands. Also I watch marner and rantanen play consistently, rantanen has broken 80 points twice something marner hasn't, hes alsongreat defensively and big, you're right in saying that they are somewhat similar but i think rantanen edges out marner.


    You think that because your a avs fan and tour are bias. I watched both play a lot and i am neither a leaf fan and a avs fan. Marner had broke the 90 point and rantanen hasn’t do bring me this argument because if marner had played with tavares last season he would
    Have past the 80 mark too. Its more what tey do on ice. Both pas the puck well, rantanen have a better shot but marner control the puck better. Marner as a best acceleration, rantanen is bigger so like i said thing even out. Both are excellent players same age. You can like rantanen more but the facts is that there not one better then the other a this point. The on’y things that separate one from the other is your appreciation of the players.
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    11 sep à 15 h 17
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    Quoting: JeffW
    Hahaha yeah it's possible that he could become a yakupov but it's also possible he could become a Erik Karlsson or OEL and they are harder to find than a marner, I think sakic and every avs fan would take the chance on him especially considering marners outrageous contract demands. Also I watch marner and rantanen play consistently, rantanen has broken 80 points twice something marner hasn't, hes alsongreat defensively and big, you're right in saying that they are somewhat similar but i think rantanen edges out marner.


    And for makar i really like the players started to really follow him much more after team
    Canada runs. He is more likely to succeed and i really hope he will. But bednar must be careful with is use this season. A 82 games season is far more demanding then a 40 games ncaa season.
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    11 sep à 15 h 23
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    Quoting: Sebybbq
    And for makar i really like the players started to really follow him much more after team
    Canada runs. He is more likely to succeed and i really hope he will. But bednar must be careful with is use this season. A 82 games season is far more demanding then a 40 games ncaa season.


    I can only understand a bit of what you're saying, I'm not arguing that makar will be better than marner this season, I'm saying I think he is more valuable. And i think hes more valuable to the avs than marner would be.

    And sure maybe i am bias about rantanen but the NHL network who rank NHL players agree with me
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    11 sep à 15 h 43
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    Quoting: JeffW
    I can only understand a bit of what you're saying, I'm not arguing that makar will be better than marner this season, I'm saying I think he is more valuable. And i think hes more valuable to the avs than marner would be.

    And sure maybe i am bias about rantanen but the NHL network who rank NHL players agree with me


    And the one on sportsnet rank marner ahead so like i said here the difference is more a appreciation and preferences than skill
    And stats things. One expert like more marner and the other is rantanen.

    For makar if he developed into what avs think he will, he will be more valuable for them but if he turn out like erik johnson who was a first overall pick avs might regret declining that trade for marner. Thats the hard part of
    This trade because it’s more a projection then the actual value.

    But this trade will never happen. This is pure speculation colorado don’t want to trade their young defenseman unless they brings another young blueliner. I mean if columbus would propose seth jones i think colorado would listen more then for marner or Matthews or whatever forward.
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    11 sep à 15 h 56
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    Quoting: Sebybbq
    And the one on sportsnet rank marner ahead so like i said here the difference is more a appreciation and preferences than skill
    And stats things. One expert like more marner and the other is rantanen.

    For makar if he developed into what avs think he will, he will be more valuable for them but if he turn out like erik johnson who was a first overall pick avs might regret declining that trade for marner. Thats the hard part of
    This trade because it’s more a projection then the actual value.

    But this trade will never happen. This is pure speculation colorado don’t want to trade their young defenseman unless they brings another young blueliner. I mean if columbus would propose seth jones i think colorado would listen more then for marner or Matthews or whatever forward.


    Haha yes there is always the possibility that he doesnt turn out but until then I think they are going to take the chance on it...

    Oh and sportsnet ranked a maple leaf high??? Couldnt have anything to do with they fact that they are a Toronto based company with the same owners as maple leaf sports and entertainment
    11 sep à 16 h 04
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    Quoting: JeffW
    Haha yes there is always the possibility that he doesnt turn out but until then I think they are going to take the chance on it...

    Oh and sportsnet ranked a maple leaf high??? Couldnt have anything to do with they fact that they are a Toronto based company with the same owners as maple leaf sports and entertainment


    No because tavares is lower on sportsnet then on nhl network! And we talk here of a few spot difference. Its the same thing as the prospect ranking made at the ends of the years the central as one and there the team
    List and the insiders list. The top list is almost always the same but after that its more a preferencial things. If you are high on a guys its normal then he is higher on that list.
     
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