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Guerin is the GM - Trades with NYI TBL MTL

Créé par: TanSor
Date de création initiale: aoû 19, 2019
Publié: Aug 21 at 2:38 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Wild du Minnesota
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Belpedio, Louis1900 000 $
Fiala, Kevin33 500 000 $
Transactions
MIN
  1. Wahlstrom, Oliver
  2. Wilde, Bode
NYI
  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. Eriksson Ek, Joel [Droits de RFA]
MIN
  1. Sergachev, Mikhail
TBL
  1. Spurgeon, Jared (2 593 750 $ retained)
  2. Shaw, Mason
MIN
  1. Juulsen, Noah
  2. 2020 2e round pick (CHI)
MTL
  1. Brodin, Jonas
Rachats de contrats
  • Tyler Ennis: 1 216 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Jared Spurgeon: 2 593 750 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MIN
MIN
CHI
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2021
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $67 592 337 $0 $2 125 000 $13 907 663 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MIN
Donato, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AD, AG, C
RFA - 2
MIN
Staal, Eric
3 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
6 000 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Parise, Zach
7 538 461 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Kunin, Luke
925 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
3 500 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
MIN
Greenway, Jordan
916 666 $
AG
RFA - 1
MIN
Koivu, Mikko
5 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Mayhew, Gerald
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
2 875 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
MIN
Rask, Victor
4 000 000 $
C
UFA - 3
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MIN
Suter, Ryan
7 538 461 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Dumba, Matt
6 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
MIN
Dubnyk, Devan
4 333 333 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
894 166 $
DG
RFA - 1
MTL
Juulsen, Noah
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 1
MIN
Stalock, Alex
785 000 $
G
UFA - 3
MIN
Seeler, Nick
725 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MIN
Pateryn, Greg
2 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MIN
Brown, J.T.
687 500 $
AD
UFA - 1
MIN
Hunt, Brad
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 2

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21 aoû à 14 h 49
#1
Habs for 25
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I would do that if I were MTL

Islanders say no, Tampa says no
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21 aoû à 14 h 55
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Isles say hell no.
21 aoû à 14 h 56
#3
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Quoting: BrandonMcD11
I would do that if I were MTL

Islanders say no, Tampa says no


Care to explain your reasoning? Zucker is a former 33 goal scorer and still scored over 20 in a down year, Eriksson Ek's production has been worrying but he looked great as our 3C at the end of the year. Wahlstrom had a pretty concerning year in college and the Islanders have a ton of talented RD prospects/players which leaves Wilde as an odd man out. I'd say Wahlstrom's ceiling is probably a 50-60p player which is what Zucker already is and Wilde is probably a good #4 D. Both are"maybes" right now, while Zucker and Ek are known quantities. As for Tampa, they need a top pairing D to play with Hedman or McDonagh (I'm not convinced Shattenkirk is going to be a top 4 player again) and Spurgeon is our best defenseman, and quite possibly our best player. Yes, he's a rental, which is why I gave them a good but not great prospect with Shaw (Pronman ranked him as our 6th best prospect this year).
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21 aoû à 14 h 57
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Quoting: slapshot723
Isles say hell no.


Ok, what is your reasoning? See my previous comment to why I think it's fair. I'd be willing to tweak it, but the Isles are getting a very solid package IMO. Wahlstrom is no longer the prospect he was when he was drafted.
21 aoû à 15 h 00
#5
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Quoting: TanSor
Ok, what is your reasoning? See my previous comment to why I think it's fair. I'd be willing to tweak it, but the Isles are getting a very solid package IMO. Wahlstrom is no longer the prospect he was when he was drafted.


Lol it's been one year since Wahlstrom was draft, and he had a really strong end of the year.
21 aoû à 15 h 03
#6
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Quoting: slapshot723
Lol it's been one year since Wahlstrom was draft, and he had a really strong end of the year.


One year is a long time, things can change a lot in that span. Like I said, I'm willing to tweak the trade. I'd love a counter offer.
21 aoû à 15 h 04
#7
Isles777
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Bode Wilde and a 1st is the most you’ll get for zucker.
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21 aoû à 15 h 06
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The reasoning is your trades are garbage.
21 aoû à 15 h 06
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Quoting: Isles777
Bode Wilde and a 1st is the most you’ll get for zucker.


I'd take that trade.
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21 aoû à 15 h 06
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Quoting: feds91stammer
The reasoning is your trades are garbage.


Thanks for the insightful comment!
21 aoû à 15 h 08
#11
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Quoting: TanSor
Thanks for the insightful comment!


lmao you can't get butthurt when you get trashed for trading a rental and a plug prospect for a elc stud d
21 aoû à 15 h 09
#12
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Quoting: TanSor
One year is a long time, things can change a lot in that span. Like I said, I'm willing to tweak the trade. I'd love a counter offer.


If he's so bad why do you want him?
21 aoû à 15 h 09
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Quoting: feds91stammer
lmao you can't get butthurt when you get trashed for trading a rental and a plug prospect for a elc stud d


I'm not butt hurt, I've said in nearly every one of my comments that I'm willing to make tweaks but so far only 1 person has made a counter offer.
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21 aoû à 15 h 10
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Quoting: slapshot723
If he's so bad why do you want him?


Never said he was bad. We need a right shot winger and Wahlstrom is one. I view him as a potential 50-60p player someday, but obviously there's bust concerns.
21 aoû à 15 h 11
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Quoting: TanSor
I'm not butt hurt, I've said in nearly every one of my comments that I'm willing to make tweaks but so far only 1 person has made a counter offer.


well here is a tweak. delete the tbl trade. unless you want to give them dumba 50% retained and the rights to kaprizov
21 aoû à 15 h 13
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This year Tampa would probably need to send back a bit more salary to make sure they have room to sign Point, depending on how that negotiation is going. It may be as simple as taking Condon as a cap dump. 50% retained Spurgeon would be close to Condon's buried cap hit and Sergachev combined.

Long term gets dicey for Tampa though. Spurgeon would probably want $6.5-7m to extend there and that would be tough for Tampa to do without moving more contracts next year. Short term it's a good upgrade, but I don't know how Tampa makes that work past this season and Sergachev has some level of cost control being an RFA next year.
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21 aoû à 15 h 14
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Isles would not do that trade for a variety of reasons:

1) If the rumors are true and they signed Brassard, they now have 16 NHL Forwards (not including Ladd as I assume he is on LTIR next year). They would need to trade NHL roster forwards in order to make room for Zucker.

Lee-Barzal- Eberle
Beau-Nelson-Bailey
Dal Colle-Brassard-Komarov
Martin- Czizkas-Clutterbuck

Ho-Sang, Fritz, Johnston, Kuhnackal, Ladd

2) You mentioned Wahlstrom isn't the prospect he once was, I completely disagree with this statement. He is a top tier W prospect and the Isles best forward prospect. Erickson Ek is not the prospect he once was, he has not been very succesful in his NHL opportunities. Ek would be of no interest to the Isles as he would essentially be the same player as Dal Colle or Ho-Sang, a high draft pick who could still potential find a spot in the NHL but has shown very little so far.

3) Zucker's salary is not outrageous but the Isles cannot take on another long term $5M+ salary as they need to sign Barzal, Pulock, Toews next year. They already need to think about how to move salary out like Leddy to ensure they have space to sign all of those players who are core to the team.
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21 aoû à 15 h 14
#18
Martynas
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Quoting: feds91stammer
well here is a tweak. delete the tbl trade. unless you want to give them dumba 50% retained and the rights to kaprizov


I think some people here are overrating Sergachev lol. Spurgeon (as a rental) probably doesn't get you him but Spurgeon should still fetch a solid return overall.
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21 aoû à 15 h 14
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Quoting: TanSor
Never said he was bad. We need a right shot winger and Wahlstrom is one. I view him as a potential 50-60p player someday, but obviously there's bust concerns.


Why don't the Islanders do you a favor and take on the bust concerns for you?
21 aoû à 15 h 16
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Quoting: ExpiredmilkYT
I think some people here are overrating Sergachev lol. Spurgeon (as a rental) probably doesn't get you him but Spurgeon should still fetch a solid return overall.


my point is the trade would have to make total sense for tbl and min doesn't really have the assets to do so
21 aoû à 15 h 19
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Quoting: Warrior24
Isles would not do that trade for a variety of reasons:

1) If the rumors are true and they signed Brassard, they now have 16 NHL Forwards (not including Ladd as I assume he is on LTIR next year). They would need to trade NHL roster forwards in order to make room for Zucker.

Lee-Barzal- Eberle
Beau-Nelson-Bailey
Dal Colle-Brassard-Komarov
Martin- Czizkas-Clutterbuck

Ho-Sang, Fritz, Johnston, Kuhnackal, Ladd

2) You mentioned Wahlstrom isn't the prospect he once was, I completely disagree with this statement. He is a top tier W prospect and the Isles best forward prospect. Erickson Ek is not the prospect he once was, he has not been very succesful in his NHL opportunities. Ek would be of no interest to the Isles as he would essentially be the same player as Dal Colle or Ho-Sang, a high draft pick who could still potential find a spot in the NHL but has shown very little so far.

3) Zucker's salary is not outrageous but the Isles cannot take on another long term $5M+ salary as they need to sign Barzal, Pulock, Toews next year. They already need to think about how to move salary out like Leddy to ensure they have space to sign all of those players who are core to the team.


Geez. Wahlstrom has a slightly disappointing season on a crappy BC team and people lose their minds. OP is clueless.
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21 aoû à 15 h 20
#22
Martynas
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Quoting: feds91stammer
my point is the trade would have to make total sense for tbl and min doesn't really have the assets to do so


Yeah, I agree there. I think a good prospect+ a first and maybe another mid rounder could work.
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21 aoû à 15 h 22
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Quoting: ExpiredmilkYT
Yeah, I agree there. I think a good prospect+ a first and maybe another mid rounder could work.


how does that help tbl though? sergachev is their 2nd best d man.
21 aoû à 15 h 24
#24
Martynas
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Quoting: feds91stammer
how does that help tbl though? sergachev is their 2nd best d man.


Surgeon is a very good shut down guy, would definitely be a significant boost to that d core.
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21 aoû à 15 h 30
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Quoting: ExpiredmilkYT
Surgeon is a very good shut down guy, would definitely be a significant boost to that d core.


So you are saying Spurgeon, Top prospect, + a pick? that makes at least a tiny bit of sense.
 
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