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I would like to ask, why is Brent Burns considered a better all-round defenseman than Kris Letang?

All answers would be appreciated.

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3 aoû à 9h22
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I would like to ask, why is Brent Burns considered a better defenseman than Kris Letang?

All answers would be appreciated.


Because he won the D points lol
3 aoû à 9h45
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I would like to ask, why is Brent Burns considered a better all-round defenseman than Kris Letang?

All answers would be appreciated.


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3 aoû à 9h47
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Because he won the D points lol


I know, but the real question is, why did Burns win the Norris whereas Letang never did? Is Burns really a better all-round defenseman than Letang?
3 aoû à 10h06
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I know, but the real question is, why did Burns win the Norris whereas Letang never did? Is Burns really a better all-round defenseman than Letang?


He's better offensively while also better defensively than some people say he is.
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He's better offensively while also better defensively than some people say he is.


Yes but is he better defensively than Letang? Burns is more physical, but I don’t think he is as good as Letang in positioning and suppressing shot attempts. Obviously he is a more riskier offensive player who loves to shoot the puck, but Letang IMO has better zone exit breakouts, skating and agility. What about Letang and Subban, who is better at their peak?
3 aoû à 10h17
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I would like to ask, why is Brent Burns considered a better all-round defenseman than Kris Letang?

All answers would be appreciated.

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In almost every advanced stats for the last 3 years Burns is the better player, from defensive stats to shot contributions. He also puts up more points than Letang.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Yes but is he better defensively than Letang? Burns is more physical, but I don’t think he is as good as Letang in positioning and suppressing shot attempts. Obviously he is a more riskier offensive player who loves to shoot the puck, but Letang IMO has better zone exit breakouts, skating and agility. What about Letang and Subban, who is better at their peak?

Burns is better at zone entries, breaks up more entries and gets more shots. Burns also has a better ozone entry percentage although he doesn't do it as much as Letang. That's for the last 3 yrs. Last year burns was a monster and has Letang beat in every advanced category except for amount of zone entries.
3 aoû à 10h44
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In almost every advanced stats for the last 3 years Burns is the better player, from defensive stats to shot contributions. He also puts up more points than Letang.


Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Burns is better at zone entries, breaks up more entries and gets more shots. Burns also has a better ozone entry percentage although he doesn't do it as much as Letang. That's for the last 3 yrs. Last year burns was a monster and has Letang beat in every advanced category except for amount of zone entries.


Wow, I actually didn’t pay much attention to those advanced metrics, thank you for educating me. Indeed Burns does get more zone entries and shot contributions, but we also have to keep in mind that he gets a lot more offensive zone starts than in his own end, which contributes to those superior stats. What about Burns and Parayko, who’s better?
3 aoû à 10h50
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Yes but is he better defensively than Letang? Burns is more physical, but I don’t think he is as good as Letang in positioning and suppressing shot attempts. Obviously he is a more riskier offensive player who loves to shoot the puck, but Letang IMO has better zone exit breakouts, skating and agility. What about Letang and Subban, who is better at their peak?


Is Letang better offensively than Burns?
3 aoû à 10h54
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Is Letang better offensively than Burns?


Clearly not but the stereotype was that Burns isn’t very good defensively, since he only plays in the offensive zone.
3 aoû à 10h59
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@BuFfaLOFaN @rangersandislesfan @Snipshow4416 I want to ask about the 2017 Stanley Cup Finals. There were a few key players missing in that tournament. If Letang, Fiala and Johansen were all healthy for their respective teams, would the result have been any different?
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3 aoû à 11h01
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Brent Burns is the better all around Defenseman because he plays Better Offense, and Defense.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
@BuFfaLOFaN @rangersandislesfan @Snipshow4416 I want to ask about the 2017 Stanley Cup Finals. There were a few key players missing in that tournament. If Letang, Fiala and Johansen were all healthy for their respective teams, would the result have been any different?


Probably not. The biggest factor was Murray and the blown call on nsh in game 6
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I want to ask about the 2017 Stanley Cup Finals. There were a few key players missing in that tournament. If Letang, Fiala and Johansen were all healthy for their respective teams, would the result have been any different?


idk who knows
3 aoû à 11h04
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Quoting: Snipshow4416
Probably not. The biggest factor was Murray and the blown call on nsh in game 6


Quoting: rangersandislesfan
idk who knows


Honestly if Letang was healthy in that cup run there probably wouldn’t have been a game 6 is what I think.
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Now what I will quote from @BrandonDubinskyGOAT here is that Blues were lucky and that our stanley cup was a fluke. He also said that 2016 Pittsburgh Penguins was x100 better than this Blues team.
3 aoû à 11h25
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Now what I will quote from @BrandonDubinskyGOAT here is that Blues were lucky and that our stanley cup was a fluke. He also said that 2016 Pittsburgh Penguins was x100 better than this Blues team.


The Blues deserved their cup championship but in all fairness, the 2016 Penguins were far better. You can’t compare a team that won with intimidation to a team that dominated with their skill. The Penguins had the better individul players and also played better as a team.
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Brent Burns is the better all around Defenseman because he plays Better Offense, and Defense.


Seems complex but you may be on to something
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Quoting: Jangle29
Seems complex but you may be on to something


Quoting: rangersandislesfan
idk who knows


Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Brent Burns is the better all around Defenseman because he plays Better Offense, and Defense.


Quoting: BurgerBoss
Because he won the D points lol


I want to ask about Jay Bouwmeester. In his prime, was he an elite defenseman? I have seen included on Team Canada many times.
3 aoû à 14h17
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
@BuFfaLOFaN @rangersandislesfan @Snipshow4416 I want to ask about the 2017 Stanley Cup Finals. There were a few key players missing in that tournament. If Letang, Fiala and Johansen were all healthy for their respective teams, would the result have been any different?


Probably not, although I wish it would have been
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Probably not, although I wish it would have been


Quoting: Jangle29
Seems complex but you may be on to something


Quoting: rangersandislesfan
idk who knows


Quoting: Snipshow4416
Probably not. The biggest factor was Murray and the blown call on nsh in game 6


Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Brent Burns is the better all around Defenseman because he plays Better Offense, and Defense.


Quoting: BurgerBoss
Because he won the D points lol


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3 aoû à 15h53
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I want to ask about Jay Bouwmeester. In his prime, was he an elite defenseman? I have seen included on Team Canada many times.


He was amazing until the 2nd year we had him when he went down with a plethora of injuries. He was insane enough to be Top Line with Pietrangelo. Then he fell off because of injury so to answer your question yes he was.
3 aoû à 16h07
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He was amazing until the 2nd year we had him when he went down with a plethora of injuries. He was insane enough to be Top Line with Pietrangelo. Then he fell off because of injury so to answer your question yes he was.


Thank you. I agree, he was one of the best defensemen in the league in his prime. Was he a good skater?
3 aoû à 16h25
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I would like to ask, why is Brent Burns considered a better all-round defenseman than Kris Letang?

All answers would be appreciated.

@SammyT_51 @Jamiepo @BuFfaLOFaN @BurgerBoss @DoctorBreakfast @dgfresh78 @mhockey91 @okrepps185


@Goulet brought up an interesting point. He claimed that Tavares is more capable of elevating the play of his linemates than Crosby. Is this true? Why or why not?
 
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