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After reading James Mirtles Article Consensus

Créé par: Rodzikhockey93
Date de création initiale: aoû 2, 2019
Publié: Aug 2 at 10:03 am
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell39 500 160 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. 2020 6e round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Gauthier, Frédérik
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
ARI
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $81 447 359 $0 $0 $52 641 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
9 500 160 $
AD
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, C
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
737 500 $
AG
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
775 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
2 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Schmaltz, Jordan
700 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
775 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Horton, Nathan
5 300 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Åberg, Pontus
700 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
5 250 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
675 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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2 aoû à 10 h 05
#1
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Id rather sit him for a year or trade him for top pairing D than this contract.
2 aoû à 10 h 08
#2
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Id rather sit him for a year or trade him for top pairing D than this contract.


Don't like the length or the money?
2 aoû à 10 h 08
#3
Démarrer sujet
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Id rather sit him for a year or trade him for top pairing D than this contract.


its the reality. Rather keep him away from free agency as much as possible
2 aoû à 10 h 12
#4
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Quoting: feds91stammer
Don't like the length or the money?


Those go hand in hand, but Evolving Wild has him projected at ~$9.6M x 8Y so let's go with length.
2 aoû à 10 h 14
#5
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Quoting: feds91stammer
Don't like the length or the money?


The lenght is good, but thats 2mil more then he should get on that term. And the money is good if term is twice as long.
2 aoû à 10 h 14
#6
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Quoting: Rodzikhockey93
its the reality. Rather keep him away from free agency as much as possible


Then bye Marner, Id trade him if he wants that much.
2 aoû à 10 h 14
#7
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Quoting: SammyT_51
The lenght is good, but thats 2mil more then he should get on that term. And the money is good if term is twice as long.


Gotcha. That makes sense.
2 aoû à 10 h 20
#8
LEAFSandBRUINSfan
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Then bye Marner, Id trade him if he wants that much.


As much as I agree with your opinion this is what’s gonna happen or he’s not gonna play I honestly have no problem with that contract. Obviously I think it should be lower and the stats and comparisons prove that but I’d rather have mitch than not
2 aoû à 10 h 22
#9
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Id rather sit him for a year or trade him for top pairing D than this contract.


Marner's contract won't ever be a problem. He's going to be a star. It's the secondary contracts that will be the problem and currently the Leafs have zero bad contracts.
2 aoû à 10 h 27
#10
NGP22
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Quoting: MacerV
Those go hand in hand, but Evolving Wild has him projected at ~$9.6M x 8Y so let's go with length.


Did you read the article? He's not signing for 8 years and wants at least 9M, good luck getting a long term for less than 11M
2 aoû à 10 h 27
#11
NGP22
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Then bye Marner, Id trade him if he wants that much.


Who has the room and would give the leafs fair value? They have no leverage.
2 aoû à 10 h 35
#12
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Quoting: Ngp2
Who has the room and would give the leafs fair value? They have no leverage.


There are teams that would give them full value who would offer marner big contract. Leafs have all the leverage in Marner negotiations. He wouldnt sit until UFA status am I right?
2 aoû à 10 h 43
#13
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Quoting: Ngp2
Did you read the article? He's not signing for 8 years and wants at least 9M, good luck getting a long term for less than 11M


Yes, I read the article. And he could want league max for 1 year, that doesn't mean he is going to get it. If Dubas signs Marner to this deal he should be fired. Any GM signing Marner to $11M+ should be fired.
2 aoû à 10 h 45
#14
NGP22
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Quoting: SammyT_51
There are teams that would give them full value who would offer marner big contract. Leafs have all the leverage in Marner negotiations. He wouldnt sit until UFA status am I right?


They're going to piss away their window over 1M/year? No team is giving up assets for Marner when the leafs have to sign him (and have to before the season starts).
2 aoû à 10 h 46
#15
NGP22
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Quoting: MacerV
Yes, I read the article. And he could want league max for 1 year, that doesn't mean he is going to get it. If Dubas signs Marner to this deal he should be fired. Any GM signing Marner to $11M+ should be fired.


So what do the leafs do then? Get screwed by signing him in season? You can't just force a player to sign a contract because you want him to.
2 aoû à 10 h 51
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Quoting: Ngp2
So what do the leafs do then? Get screwed by signing him in season? You can't just force a player to sign a contract because you want him to.


Offer an array of 1 to 8 year contracts at fair value and tell him to sign one before camp. If he doesn't, he gets traded or sits the year. It's not optimal, but paying a guy $2-4M more than his fair share is ridiculous and will hurt the team.
2 aoû à 10 h 54
#17
NGP22
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Quoting: MacerV
Offer an array of 1 to 8 year contracts at fair value and tell him to sign one before camp. If he doesn't, he gets traded or sits the year. It's not optimal, but paying a guy $2-4M more than his fair share is ridiculous and will hurt the team.


So the leafs ruin a year of their window over 1.5M? Seems like bad GMing.
2 aoû à 11 h 04
#18
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Quoting: Ngp2
They're going to piss away their window over 1M/year? No team is giving up assets for Marner when the leafs have to sign him (and have to before the season starts).


Piss away their window? If they move marner they are still in the same window as before. Marner is like 5th most valuable Leaf. They would miss him but they would get a great package back for him (Pesce+Teravainen as example). 1M a year? Huh? He is worth 7M on 3yr deal and not more. Id give him 1M more just to have him for 8x3, which is overpayment but at least they would have him signed.. But I would not give him 2.5mil more than his value is. Not even a question. They would offer him array of reasonable contracts for every term except 4 and 5 yrs. They can tell him to sign one of those and stay a leaf or say if you want more, this and this team is offering this and this money and we will trade you there if you dont sign any of those proposed deals to these terms. All front or back loaded how much he wants. But the AAV would be at the value the Leafs want him to have.
2 aoû à 11 h 38
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Quoting: Ngp2
So the leafs ruin a year of their window over 1.5M? Seems like bad GMing.


I think you mean $2M-$32M yes. That can cause a lot of damage over the years vs 1 year.
2 aoû à 13 h 10
#20
NGP22
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Piss away their window? If they move marner they are still in the same window as before. Marner is like 5th most valuable Leaf. They would miss him but they would get a great package back for him (Pesce+Teravainen as example). 1M a year? Huh? He is worth 7M on 3yr deal and not more. Id give him 1M more just to have him for 8x3, which is overpayment but at least they would have him signed.. But I would not give him 2.5mil more than his value is. Not even a question. They would offer him array of reasonable contracts for every term except 4 and 5 yrs. They can tell him to sign one of those and stay a leaf or say if you want more, this and this team is offering this and this money and we will trade you there if you dont sign any of those proposed deals to these terms. All front or back loaded how much he wants. But the AAV would be at the value the Leafs want him to have.


You think Carolina is giving up Pesce and Teravainen for Marner? In what world would they do that, maybe one and the leafs first rounder back but Carolina has no reason to pay fair value. 3x9 still gives the Leafs plenty of room. It's over market compared to other wingers but Marner had a career year and has the leafs over a barrel.
2 aoû à 13 h 11
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NGP22
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Quoting: MacerV
I think you mean $2M-$32M yes. That can cause a lot of damage over the years vs 1 year.


If you think he's worth 3x7.5, you're going to say no to 3x9 (not close to 32M idk where you got that number)?
2 aoû à 14 h 33
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Quoting: Ngp2
If you think he's worth 3x7.5, you're going to say no to 3x9 (not close to 32M idk where you got that number)?


Uhhh, yeah I'm going to say hell no to 3x9. And the 32M is from me saying $2-4M AAV overpay which for an 8 year term comes out to $16-32M.
2 aoû à 14 h 52
#23
NGP22
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Quoting: MacerV
Uhhh, yeah I'm going to say hell no to 3x9. And the 32M is from me saying $2-4M AAV overpay which for an 8 year term comes out to $16-32M.


Ah well Marner's not signing for 8 years so problem solved
 
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