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New Jersey Devils signed Will Butcher (3 Years / $3,733,333 AAV)

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31 jui à 10h12
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Will Butcher has signed a new contract with the New Jersey Devils.
CONTRAT STANDARD
COMPARER CE CONTRAT
DURÉE: 3 ANNÉES
STATUT À L’ÉCHÉANCE DU CONTRAT: UFA
CONTRAT SIGNÉ AVEC: Devils du New JerseyDevils du New Jersey
VALEUR: 11 200 000 $
% DU C.H. : 4,58
DATE DE SIGNATURE: 31 juillet 2019
SOURCE: @BBarts
SAISONCLAUSECAP HIT AAV BONIS DE PERF. BONIS DE SIGN. SALAIRE DE BASE SALAIRE TOTAL SALAIRE DES LIGUES MINEURES
2019-203 733 333 $3 733 333 $0 $0 $3 500 000 $3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
2020-213 733 333 $3 733 333 $0 $0 $3 600 000 $3 600 000 $3 600 000 $
2021-223 733 333 $3 733 333 $0 $0 $4 100 000 $4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
TOTAL11 199 999 $11 199 999 $0 $0 $11 200 000 $11 200 000 $11 200 000 $
31 jui à 10h14
#2
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Why 3 years and take him to UFA instead of 2 year bridge...
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31 jui à 10h15
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Go Jets Go!
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Good AAV but odd term...
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31 jui à 10h18
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exo2769
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Quoting: BSpadaro83
Why 3 years and take him to UFA instead of 2 year bridge...


Probably would have cost more per year then.
31 jui à 10h19
#5
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Not quite the bridge deal that was anticipated… while AAV is good, term is not
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31 jui à 10h21
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AwesomeMatthews
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Their counting on him bouncing back
31 jui à 10h23
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PhoneyAnteater
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Devils are still unsure if he will be a great defender for years to come, or if he's already peaked.
31 jui à 10h51
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Quoting: Phoneyanteater123
Devils are still unsure if he will be a great defender for years to come, or if he's already peaked.


I would say both. He's likely going to be a great defender for years to come, but what you see is more than likely what you're going to get. He didn't necessarily "peak", but he's not going to get a crazy amount better (however I do think he will get a little bit better in the fundamental areas). He cant be a #1 dman but he can be a good #2/#3 dman.
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31 jui à 10h51
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Who is he gonna play with?? Subban or Severson??
31 jui à 10h54
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PhoneyAnteater
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Quoting: xXRocketGallyXx
Who is he gonna play with?? Subban or Severson??


Probably Severson
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31 jui à 10h56
#11
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Good. I feared he would get too much term and not live up to the deal
31 jui à 11h25
#12
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Vatanen - Subban
Butcher - Severson
Smith - Greene
-
Mueller - Carrick

I start to like our defense smile
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31 jui à 11h28
#13
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Quoting: richu12
Vatanen - Subban
Butcher - Severson
Smith - Greene
-
Mueller - Carrick

I start to like our defense smile


Opponents are going to love that first pairing, pretty much all offense and not great defense. The Rangers will be able to walk all over them.
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31 jui à 12h25
#14
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Quoting: richu12
Vatanen - Subban
Butcher - Severson
Smith - Greene
-
Mueller - Carrick

I start to like our defense smile


My version:

Greene - Severson
Butcher - Subban
Smith - Vatanen
Mueller
31 jui à 12h26
#15
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Quoting: AwesomeMatthews
Their counting on him bouncing back


Most of his point production comes via the PP. He'll now be off the first unit and playing less than 15 mins. per game. This is an overpayment as I've watched every minute of every game of his career.
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31 jui à 12h30
#16
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Quoting: KubaH
My version:

Greene - Severson
Butcher - Subban
Smith - Vatanen
Mueller


No. Greene is still 20+ minutes per game. Easily top 4 D. Butcher is 3rd pair and battling with Meuller for ice time. Trust me on this one. Vatanen is much better at 5on5 than Butcher and Greene is still the team's best defensive player.
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31 jui à 12h35
#17
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Should have gone 2 years instead of 3
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31 jui à 12h54
#18
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Would've preferred 2 years, but the AAV is decent. He likely slots in the 3rd pairing for now, but he could slot into the 2nd sometime (especially depending on what they do with Vatanen next year).

Now looks like they've got their D all sorted. Might look something like:

Greene - Subban
Vatanen - Severson
Butcher - Carrick

Smith - Mueller - Smith may end up slotting into the 3rd over Carrick, depending on his development.
31 jui à 12h57
#19
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I'm also glad that, if they had to sign a contract that brings him into UFA to get a fair AAV, that they didn't sign him to too many years. I've liked his game so far, but he's a 2nd/3rd pairing guy with only 2 years under his belt so far.
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31 jui à 13h29
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PhoneyAnteater
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Quoting: Brian2016
No. Greene is still 20+ minutes per game. Easily top 4 D. Butcher is 3rd pair and battling with Meuller for ice time. Trust me on this one. Vatanen is much better at 5on5 than Butcher and Greene is still the team's best defensive player.


Greene should not be playing on the first pair and he shouldn't have been there for the past 2 years. He should be used as a 3rd pairing specialty guy on the PK and a mentor for the young guys. His advanced metrics are atrocious at even strength, it's clear to see that he should not be playing 20+ minutes per night.
31 jui à 13h58
#21
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Quoting: Phoneyanteater123
Greene should not be playing on the first pair and he shouldn't have been there for the past 2 years. He should be used as a 3rd pairing specialty guy on the PK and a mentor for the young guys. His advanced metrics are atrocious at even strength, it's clear to see that he should not be playing 20+ minutes per night.


Who is better defensively on the left side? Obviously not Butcher. Vatanen is solid, and could be paired w/ Subban, but either way Greene is top 2 LHD on the team. I'm not saying he necessarily should be, but he will be. Wait and see if you don't believe me. know his numbers are bad, but he plays every single night against the opponent's top line on a team that's finished bottom 5 in the NHL for the better part of the last 7 seasons. Butcher was protected 5on5 in both seasons and matched up against other teams depth players. Butcher is a PP specialist w/ little defensive upside.
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31 jui à 14h15
#22
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Quoting: nalzugaray12
I would say both. He's likely going to be a great defender for years to come, but what you see is more than likely what you're going to get. He didn't necessarily "peak", but he's not going to get a crazy amount better (however I do think he will get a little bit better in the fundamental areas). He cant be a #1 dman but he can be a good #2/#3 dman.


A lot depends on How quickly Ty Smith makes the jump to the NHL. They're both offensive LHD's.
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31 jui à 14h20
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Quoting: Brian2016
A lot depends on How quickly Ty Smith makes the jump to the NHL. They're both offensive LHD's.


I think that the entire reason that they gave him 3 years is that they aren't sure that they don't want him to walk as a UFA.
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31 jui à 14h44
#24
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Quoting: Brian2016
Who is better defensively on the left side? Obviously not Butcher. Vatanen is solid, and could be paired w/ Subban, but either way Greene is top 2 LHD on the team. I'm not saying he necessarily should be, but he will be. Wait and see if you don't believe me. know his numbers are bad, but he plays every single night against the opponent's top line on a team that's finished bottom 5 in the NHL for the better part of the last 7 seasons. Butcher was protected 5on5 in both seasons and matched up against other teams depth players. Butcher is a PP specialist w/ little defensive upside.


Greene way outscored Butcher 5on5 last season, by almost a 2:1 margin if I remember correctly. Greene was also a better +/- despite playing the tough minutes.
31 jui à 17h10
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I think this is an over pay. But defense is at a premium.
I don't think he's that good, especially in his own end. The less he's sheltered the more it shows.
I've never really been a fan of paying defensive players when you have to shelter them. It ends up turning out bad sooner or later.
 
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