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Johnson and a 1st for Forbort

Créé par: Quavo
Date de création initiale: jui 16, 2019
Publié: Jul 16 at 12:15 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Explications
Out of all the trades we could make to free up cap space and improve the defense this one is the best. Forbort is a solid defensive defenseman who would look great next to Letang or Schultz with surprisingly good offensive ability while playing on the Kings. I know a first is a lot to give up but the Penguins really need to be all in at this point
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Pettersson, Marcus42 750 000 $
Aston-Reese, Zach2950 000 $
Transactions
PIT
  1. Forbort, Derek (1 262 500 $ retained)
LAK
  1. Johnson, Jack
  2. 2020 1e round pick (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
*If PIT's 2020 pick is in the top 10 LA gets PIT's 2021 1st rounder instead
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2022
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $80 970 000 $132 500 $2 850 000 $530 000 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
PIT
Galchenyuk, Alex
4 900 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
PIT
McCann, Jared
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
9 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
PIT
Hörnqvist, Patric
5 300 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Simon, Dominik
750 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
PIT
Bjugstad, Nick
4 100 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
PIT
Rust, Bryan
3 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
3 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 6
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
950 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
PIT
Kahun, Dominik
925 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
PIT
Letang, Kris
7 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Murray, Matt
3 750 000 $
G
RFA - 1
LAK
Forbort, Derek
1 262 500 $
DG
UFA - 1
PIT
Schultz, Justin
5 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
1 250 000 $
G
UFA - 3
PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
2 750 000 $
DG
RFA
PIT
Gudbranson, Erik
4 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
850 000 $
D
RFA - 1

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16 jui à 12h20
#1
Rejoint: jun 2017
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I would 100% do this trade. Forbort is a lot better than Johnson and we'd have 3 good D on the left side as well.
Re-sign Forbort next season with the Schultz money and we just need to find one RD.
16 jui à 12h20
#2
Rejoint: mai 2018
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If LA is willing to do this that would be great. I'd even be willing to add a little if needed.
16 jui à 12h24
#3
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Quavo
Rejoint: avr 2018
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Quoting: Pipinghotgatorade
If LA is willing to do this that would be great. I'd even be willing to add a little if needed.


I'd think they would considering they are going through a rebuild and have Bjornfot, Clague, and Durzi waiting in the wings and if they're in cap trouble 2-3 years later they could just buy out Johnson or trade him since the term is what makes his contract so bad
16 jui à 12h27
#4
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Quoting: Quavo
I'd think they would considering they are going through a rebuild and have Bjornfot, Clague, and Durzi waiting in the wings and if they're in cap trouble 2-3 years later they could just buy out Johnson or trade him since the term is what makes his contract so bad


Yeah I agree. If they're willing to admit it's rebuild time it makes sense for both teams. I also think I read somewhere that LA was one of the couple teams that wasn't opposed to getting JJ.
16 jui à 12h28
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Quoting: Pipinghotgatorade
Yeah I agree. If they're willing to admit it's rebuild time it makes sense for both teams. I also think I read somewhere that LA was one of the couple teams that wasn't opposed to getting JJ.


Yeah them and Anaheim are the two teams rumored
16 jui à 12h30
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Quoting: Pipinghotgatorade
Yeah I agree. If they're willing to admit it's rebuild time it makes sense for both teams. I also think I read somewhere that LA was one of the couple teams that wasn't opposed to getting JJ.


Plus don't forget there were like 5 other teams who wanted to sign him in 2018 which is why we had to give him 5 years. There are suitors it's just a question of whether JR actually wants to trade him
16 jui à 12h33
#7
Rejoint: jun 2019
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i think 1.6 will get you petterson but i like it. la or anaheim seem to be only likely dumping spots for JJ
16 jui à 12h37
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Quoting: ryandrisc
i think 1.6 will get you petterson but i like it. la or anaheim seem to be only likely dumping spots for JJ


Not for 4 years it won't and I think he's worth 4 years considering he had a very good year playing with Johnson and Gudbranson
16 jui à 12h40
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16 jui à 12h41
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Quoting: Quavo
Not for 4 years it won't and I think he's worth 4 years considering he had a very good year playing with Johnson and Gudbranson


okay prob bet on himself and think hes worth 5/6 in two years-either way-still gotta find a dumping spot for JJ or this is a moot point.
16 jui à 12h43
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Quoting: mhockey91


Keep in mind though he's playing on a last place team
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16 jui à 12h49
#12
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@mhockey91 i agree

Forbort a negative plus minus and he's a giveaway machine. Not good defenseively. And offensively, he has never scored over 18 points which isnt great offensive work. And its not like he missed huge chunks of games either.and pettersson is being overpayed here.
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16 jui à 12h51
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
@mhockey91 i agree

Forbort a negative plus minus and he's a giveaway machine. Not good defenseively. And offensively, he has never scored over 18 points which isnt great offensive work. And its not like he missed huge chunks of games either.and pettersson is being overpayed here.


Have you ever taken into account that plus minus is a useless statistic and he plays on the Kings who are one of the worst offensive teams in the NHL?
16 jui à 12h52
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
@mhockey91 i agree

Forbort a negative plus minus and he's a giveaway machine. Not good defenseively. And offensively, he has never scored over 18 points which isnt great offensive work. And its not like he missed huge chunks of games either.and pettersson is being overpayed here.


Quoting: mhockey91


https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard
Compare him to Johnson and see what you get
16 jui à 13h21
#15
Rejoint: aoû 2017
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What i get from that is that forbort is better at
regaining possession
and winning the puck

But johnson is better at
not giving the puck away
and puck movement
and shooting
and passing
and possession
 
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