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Good luck marner

Créé par: PuckPal
Date de création initiale: jui 5, 2019
Publié: Jul 6 at 8:09 am
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
So it's rumoured that a team has offersheeted marner at round 12.5. If this is true i wish marner all the best in the future. He is a talanted winger but he stats we inflated by being on Tavares line seeing every other player who has played with tavares has put up 10-20% more pts when playing with him. This is why the leafs are only round 9.5-10 a season. So take the picks Dubas sign Ferland and maybe another sound top 6 forward or solid top 6 dman and use the picks to upgrade at deadline.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Ferland, Micheal44 000 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. 2020 1e round pick (BUF)
  2. 2021 1e round pick (BUF)
  3. 2022 1e round pick (BUF)
2023 1st round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Marner, Mitchell [Droits de RFA]
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
BUF
TOR
CBJ
TOR
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
BUF
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
BUF
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $77 616 366 $0 $0 $3 883 634 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
Ferland, Micheal
4 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, C
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Moore, Trevor
775 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
737 500 $
AG
UFA - 2
TOR
Shore, Nick
750 000 $
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
2 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 3
TOR
Harpur, Ben
725 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
675 000 $
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Horton, Nathan
5 300 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
775 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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6 jui à 8 h 35
#1
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Zero chance Buffalo does this. Those are all lottery picks and one player, no matter how good, doesn't fix their problems.
6 jui à 8 h 36
#2
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Quoting: cjp2112
Zero chance Buffalo does this. Those are all lottery picks and one player, no matter how good, doesn't fix their problems.


The rumour is it is either MTL, BUF or NYI who would do this i just picked one of them
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6 jui à 8 h 40
#3
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Quoting: PuckPal
The rumour is it is either MTL, BUF or NYI who would do this i just picked one of them


Fair enough. I'd say Buffalo is the distant third on that list but I've been wrong before.
6 jui à 8 h 45
#4
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Even the Isles have a iffy cap issue next season with their expecting RFA signings. Don't know if the Isles would have signed Lee, Nelson and Eberle if they had really wanted to have a successful offer to Marner.
6 jui à 9 h 01
#5
Mannyhannies
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Quoting: palhal
Even the Isles have a iffy cap issue next season with their expecting RFA signings. Don't know if the Isles would have signed Lee, Nelson and Eberle if they had really wanted to have a successful offer to Marner.


Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).
6 jui à 9 h 07
#6
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Mannyhannies
Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).


Giving up two regular NHL regulars (which weakens the team) and hoping for LTIRs to be cap compliant just shows there is cap issues for the Isles long term. Leafs or any team could overpay the Marner by selling of pieces also.
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6 jui à 9 h 10
#7
Mannyhannies
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Quoting: palhal
Giving up two regular NHL regulars (which weakens the team) and hoping for LTIRs to be cap compliant just shows there is cap issues for the Isles long term. Leafs or any team could overpay the Marner by selling of pieces also.


Leddy and Hickey NEED to be traded. Aho, Wotherspoon and Noah Dobson are NHL ready, and Bode WIlde and MItch Vande Sompel will be next year. These players need to be moved to make way for better, and younger, defensive prospects.
6 jui à 9 h 10
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Danes1294
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Quoting: Mannyhannies
Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).


Typical Islander fan lol
6 jui à 9 h 12
#9
Mannyhannies
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Quoting: Danes1294
Typical Islander fan lol


Typical Leafs fan lol
6 jui à 9 h 24
#10
exo2769
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I'm actually really curious why OTT doesnt offer 1 dollar below the 4 1sts. Dubas is trying to make it to the regular season and the drop down Horton...giving him flexibility. Offer sheet him now and then Dubas is FORCED to dump $7M in cap before the season. At this stage of the off season...how many teams can take on a $5M+ cap hit? Not many at all. So Dubas has to go to a few select teams... let's pretend he works something out with NJ...now OTT does the same thing to Tampa. Its ruthless, but it would give OTT more assets.
6 jui à 9 h 29
#11
MountRoyal514
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Quoting: Mannyhannies
Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).


Matt Martin too, on 2.5 million on the last year of his deal could be moved for cap room as well
6 jui à 9 h 46
#12
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Quoting: palhal
Even the Isles have a iffy cap issue next season with their expecting RFA signings. Don't know if the Isles would have signed Lee, Nelson and Eberle if they had really wanted to have a successful offer to Marner.


Thats why i honestly think the team in question is banking on the leafs matching the offer. But Dubas is not stupid he can pick up Ferland and Dzingel for less and have one of the best teams in the NHL depth wise and flip the picks at the deadline for a top 4 RHD.
6 jui à 9 h 52
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Quoting: Mannyhannies
Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).


The problem is LTIR is for players injured at the time not for players overpaid. Also, teams may give you less due to that NYI or whoever does this have messed up the cap for everyother team this is why no Top RFA has signed Marner will be what everyother player will get in relation to production/position.
6 jui à 10 h 00
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Quoting: PuckPal
The problem is LTIR is for players injured at the time not for players overpaid. Also, teams may give you less due to that NYI or whoever does this have messed up the cap for everyother team this is why no Top RFA has signed Marner will be what everyother player will get in relation to production/position.


Aho and Marner have identical production and probably on ice value for the past two seasons. Aho got 8.45 X 5. That is true comparable but Marner just past by 2m....go figure.
You're right all the other top RFAs at least six are waiting for Marner's contract.
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6 jui à 15 h 24
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Quoting: exo2769
I'm actually really curious why OTT doesnt offer 1 dollar below the 4 1sts. Dubas is trying to make it to the regular season and the drop down Horton...giving him flexibility. Offer sheet him now and then Dubas is FORCED to dump $7M in cap before the season. At this stage of the off season...how many teams can take on a $5M+ cap hit? Not many at all. So Dubas has to go to a few select teams... let's pretend he works something out with NJ...now OTT does the same thing to Tampa. Its ruthless, but it would give OTT more assets.


Exo2769, that is incorrect about Horton and his LTIR. He doesn't affect the Leafs cap at all next season....It's a known...he's on LTIR. What this fascination about Horton (or Clarkson) that makes folks think it such a deterrent to summer signings? So the Leafs have I believe 9.1m to sign Marner without making other moves. Sign Marner to 11m, then it's about trading Johnsson for futures and replace Johansson with a 1m player.
7 jui à 9 h 41
#16
exo2769
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Modifié 7 jui à 13 h 39
Quoting: palhal
Exo2769, that is incorrect about Horton and his LTIR. He doesn't affect the Leafs cap at all next season....It's a known...he's on LTIR. What this fascination about Horton (or Clarkson) that makes folks think it such a deterrent to summer signings? So the Leafs have I believe 9.1m to sign Marner without making other moves. Sign Marner to 11m, then it's about trading Johnsson for futures and replace Johansson with a 1m player.


I'll have to dig into LTIR again. Below is Bowman's situation with Hossa. I know there's a huge difference between off season LTIR and in season LTIR. I didn't think there was continuation from one season to another...meaning...TOR still has to be cap compliant on day 1. If Horton is LTIR'd in the off season...which yes is technically possible...then their cap is essentially spoken for...as in...the LTIR will be in affect, but it'll eliminate any gap between where TOR is and the ceiling, thus practically zero trades can happen during the year. If Dubas can hold out until after Day 1...then Horton can be sent to LTIR and there's $5.3M more to play with. I do think that both Tampa and TOR and Vegas for that matter, are thinking about this. They each have LTIR players and each are up against it.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-blackhawks/why-placing-marian-hossa-long-term-injured-reserve-wouldnt-help-blackhawks-cap
 
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