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Dallas Stars signed Esa Lindell (6 Years / $5,800,000 AAV)

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16 mai à 11h11
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Esa Lindell has signed a new contract with the Dallas Stars.
CONTRAT STANDARD
COMPARER CE CONTRAT
DURÉE: 6 ANNÉES
STATUT À L’ÉCHÉANCE DU CONTRAT: UFA
CONTRAT SIGNÉ AVEC: Stars de DallasStars de Dallas
VALEUR: 34 800 000 $
% DU C.H. : 7,30
DATE DE SIGNATURE: 16 mai 2019
SOURCE: @CapFriendly
SAISONCLAUSECAP HIT AAV BONIS DE PERF. BONIS DE SIGN. SALAIRE DE BASE SALAIRE TOTAL SALAIRE DES LIGUES MINEURES
2019-205 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $1 000 000 $6 000 000 $7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
2020-215 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $0 $4 800 000 $4 800 000 $4 800 000 $
2021-22NMC5 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $2 000 000 $5 000 000 $7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
2022-23NMC5 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $1 000 000 $5 000 000 $6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
2023-24NMC5 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $0 $5 000 000 $5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
2024-25NMC5 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $0 $5 000 000 $5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
TOTAL34 800 000 $34 800 000 $0 $4 000 000 $30 800 000 $34 800 000 $34 800 000 $
SOURCE: @CapFriendly
16 mai à 11h23
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This is a very solid contract for Dallas, with how well he played this is an amazing contract for them, cheap and long-term.
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16 mai à 11h46
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Keep an eye on this one. Underlying numbers look a lot like Nikita zaitzev's. This has the potential to look awful very fast.
It could also be a meh signing (AAV wise) for a top4 dman if his play stays or improves.

Tl;dr keep an eye on it
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16 mai à 11h54
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I think that this is a GREAT deal for Dallas.
16 mai à 11h59
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Quoting: Random2152
Keep an eye on this one. Underlying numbers look a lot like Nikita zaitzev's. This has the potential to look awful very fast.
It could also be a meh signing (AAV wise) for a top4 dman if his play stays or improves.

Tl;dr keep an eye on it


Agree i guess its the same for Nate Schmidt who signed a pretty similar deal
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16 mai à 12h17
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Agree i guess its the same for Nate Schmidt who signed a pretty similar deal


Schmidt's been better than Zaitsev.
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16 mai à 12h25
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
This is a very solid contract for Dallas, with how well he played this is an amazing contract for them, cheap and long-term.


well payed for a break out season
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16 mai à 12h30
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Quoting: Random2152
Keep an eye on this one. Underlying numbers look a lot like Nikita zaitzev's. This has the potential to look awful very fast.
It could also be a meh signing (AAV wise) for a top4 dman if his play stays or improves.

Tl;dr keep an eye on it


The biggest difference is that Zaitsev's was signed after one season of NHL play, whereas Lindell has a three season track record.
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16 mai à 12h35
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Too much money. Good term.
16 mai à 12h52
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Quoting: DoctorBreakfast
The biggest difference is that Zaitsev's was signed after one season of NHL play, whereas Lindell has a three season track record.


I will agree that certainly helps (and likely partially accounts for the aav difference), but even career numbers look... Not great. Ill start with Zaitsev's good year on its own so you can see where he was when he signed. The rest will be 1-1 comparisons.
In order:
Zaitsev 2016-17
Zaitsev v Lindell 2018-19
Zaitsev v Lindell 2016-2019
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2018-19 > just note that Zaitzev played 6 minutes on the PP this year, so the numbers can vary wildly from play
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2016-19
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16 mai à 12h53
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This is the new reality. Top 4 Defensemen are going to get overpaid. Demand is high and Lindell is solid.
16 mai à 12h59
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This is a horrible deal for a professional diver.
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16 mai à 13h30
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I think this might end up being too big of deal award too soon, time will tell though.
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16 mai à 13h32
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Re: Zaitsev-comparisons:

One thing that has destroyed Zaitsev's numbers has been his deployment. Babcock deploys him like he's a defensive, stay-at-home anchor, when he should be a two-way guy. The year he was used more loosely both ways and got pp time he was solid enough.
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16 mai à 13h45
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Great deal for Dallas. 32 points and best +/- out of their d-men. Even though he had 65% dzone starts. Klingberg had 56% ozone starts and was +6
16 mai à 13h45
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Little bit of an overpay but doesnt mean hes a bad player. Something between 4-5 million would have been more reasonable.
16 mai à 13h49
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Klingberg and Heiskenan are very happy right now... Well, Heiskanen is, Klingberg probably not too happy.
16 mai à 14h08
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This certainly isn't an underpay. Could be a decent deal though
16 mai à 14h31
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Quoting: Random2152
I will agree that certainly helps (and likely partially accounts for the aav difference), but even career numbers look... Not great. Ill start with Zaitsev's good year on its own so you can see where he was when he signed. The rest will be 1-1 comparisons.
In order:
Zaitsev 2016-17
Zaitsev v Lindell 2018-19
Zaitsev v Lindell 2016-2019
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2018-19 > just note that Zaitzev played 6 minutes on the PP this year, so the numbers can vary wildly from play
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2016-19
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Quoting: Random2152
I will agree that certainly helps (and likely partially accounts for the aav difference), but even career numbers look... Not great. Ill start with Zaitsev's good year on its own so you can see where he was when he signed. The rest will be 1-1 comparisons.
In order:
Zaitsev 2016-17
Zaitsev v Lindell 2018-19
Zaitsev v Lindell 2016-2019
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2018-19 > just note that Zaitzev played 6 minutes on the PP this year, so the numbers can vary wildly from play
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2016-19
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16 mai à 14h32
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Quoting: kaljakori
Re: Zaitsev-comparisons:

One thing that has destroyed Zaitsev's numbers has been his deployment. Babcock deploys him like he's a defensive, stay-at-home anchor, when he should be a two-way guy. The year he was used more loosely both ways and got pp time he was solid enough.


The problem with this idea is that Zaitsev IS good defensively when he doesn't have the puck. He makes good decisions in the corners and can make great moves to break up a rush. His biggest problem is decision making WITH the puck. As soon as he gets it he just throws it down the ice. EVERY DAMN TIME.
So yes it is a utilisation problem to some extent and I do believe he will do well in another teams system, but the problem isn't the one you outlined.
16 mai à 14h32
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Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
Where do you find this site


Immediately above where you write "Where do you find this site" it says Evolving-Hockey.com wink
16 mai à 14h34
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Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
Where do you find this site


Says it right at the bottom of each chart.
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16 mai à 15h56
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Bargain two or so years down the road
16 mai à 16h41
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Is that 100k for every dive he takes?

In all seriousness, if he can build upon this year it will be a good contract. He's almost as good as Parayko from the left side.
16 mai à 16h42
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Lindell is really, really bad in a vacuum. He's got strong chemistry with John Klingberg, but with anybody else on the right side, he's completely useless. His stretch from November-December without Klinger was one of the worst months of hockey I've ever seen from any player. Lindell is the very definition of a passenger. Away from Klinger, he's about as good as Roman Polak. Seriously.
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