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2 for 2 swap with PIT

Créé par: BurgerBoss
Date de création initiale: jan 29, 2019
Publié: Jan 29 at 3:49 pm
Équipe: 2018-19 Canadiens de Montréal
Transactions
MTL
  1. Määttä, Olli
  2. Ruhwedel, Chad
PIT
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
  2. Kulak, Brett
Rachats de contrats
  • Steve Mason: 1 366 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Max Pacioretty: 450 000 $ (10%)
Enfoui
  • Karl Alzner: 3 600 000 $ (4 625 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2018
2019
MTL
MTL
CBJ
MTL
MTL
CGY
CHI
EDM
MTL
WPG
2020
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
WPG
MTL
MTL
MTL
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2379 500 000 $69 930 476 $0 $2 682 500 $9 569 524 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 5
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 3
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Domi, Max
3 150 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Shaw, Andrew
3 900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 4
MTL
Byron, Paul
1 166 667 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 3
MTL
Armia, Joel
1 850 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Agostino, Kenny
700 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Peca, Matthew
1 300 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
MTL
Deslauriers, Nicolas
950 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
PIT
Määttä, Olli
4 083 333 $
DG
UFA - 4
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 8
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 8
MTL
Mete, Victor
748 333 $
DG
RFA - 2
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Niemi, Antti
950 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Reilly, Mike
725 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
PIT
Ruhwedel, Chad
650 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Benn, Jordie
1 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
MTL
Chaput, Michael
675 000 $
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Hudon, Charles
650 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1

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29 jan à 15h50
#1
Habs4Ever
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Montreal rejects.
29 jan à 15h53
#2
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Montreal rejects.


I'm against too but Bergevin might accept.
29 jan à 16h00
#3
Habs4Ever
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Quoting: Poehling
I'm against too but Bergevin might accept.


There is virtually 0 chance Bergevin does a trade like this. Bergevin has a fetish for Finns, he won't trade one to bring another one in.
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29 jan à 16h00
#4
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Pittsburgh seems pretty set for top 9 wingers.
Counter proposal? :
To Montreal:
Maatta
Brassard

To Pittsburgh:
Danault
Rielly
2019 MTL 2nd

?
29 jan à 16h05
#5
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Burgers and Hockey
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Quoting: jonesryan
Pittsburgh seems pretty set for top 9 wingers.
Counter proposal? :
To Montreal:
Maatta
Brassard

To Pittsburgh:
Danault
Rielly
2019 MTL 2nd

?


Habs should decline that imo. Danault's under good contract compared to Brassard who'd just walk after this season.
29 jan à 16h06
#6
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Quoting: jonesryan
Pittsburgh seems pretty set for top 9 wingers.
Counter proposal? :
To Montreal:
Maatta
Brassard

To Pittsburgh:
Danault
Rielly
2019 MTL 2nd

?


Taking away the UFA's that walk July 1st, it's basically Danault and a second for Maata. Horrible.
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29 jan à 16h09
#7
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I think 1 for 1, Lek for Maata, would be a better deal. Even so bergy pass and wait for next year.

Maata is just a Reilly with more steady play. His contract is not that great and PIT fans complain about his awefull giveaways all the time....

I would offer a 2nd and Hudon. Top.
29 jan à 16h36
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Quoting: jpsnow13
Taking away the UFA's that walk July 1st, it's basically Danault and a second for Maata. Horrible.


Or you don't take away Brassard cause he was in the offer ?
Breaks down like Brassard for the 2nd and Rielly, then Maatta for Danault.
Danault is slightly better than Brassard but Maatta is better than Rielly. The difference of Danault being better than Brassard is made up by the difference in Maatta being better than Rielly. Pittsburgh gets the 3C they need and Montreal gets the young left handed dman they need. Plus each team gets replacements for the main player they lost, and if Brassard being a UFA is an issue, well Montreal has longer to sign him and with him being from Quebec he may be more willing to sign.
I understand if you don't think it's 50/50 fair value (no trade ever is) but to say it's "horrible" is just flat out wrong.
29 jan à 16h48
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Quoting: jonesryan
Or you don't take away Brassard cause he was in the offer ?
Breaks down like Brassard for the 2nd and Rielly, then Maatta for Danault.
Danault is slightly better than Brassard but Maatta is better than Rielly. The difference of Danault being better than Brassard is made up by the difference in Maatta being better than Rielly. Pittsburgh gets the 3C they need and Montreal gets the young left handed dman they need. Plus each team gets replacements for the main player they lost, and if Brassard being a UFA is an issue, well Montreal has longer to sign him and with him being from Quebec he may be more willing to sign.
I understand if you don't think it's 50/50 fair value (no trade ever is) but to say it's "horrible" is just flat out wrong.


IF HABS wanted Brassard, and they don't, they could just wait july 1st and GET IT FOR FREE. Until Brassard is signed he has no value for Montreal, try Winnipeg...
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29 jan à 16h50
#10
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Quoting: jonesryan
Or you don't take away Brassard cause he was in the offer ?
Breaks down like Brassard for the 2nd and Rielly, then Maatta for Danault.
Danault is slightly better than Brassard but Maatta is better than Rielly. The difference of Danault being better than Brassard is made up by the difference in Maatta being better than Rielly. Pittsburgh gets the 3C they need and Montreal gets the young left handed dman they need. Plus each team gets replacements for the main player they lost, and if Brassard being a UFA is an issue, well Montreal has longer to sign him and with him being from Quebec he may be more willing to sign.
I understand if you don't think it's 50/50 fair value (no trade ever is) but to say it's "horrible" is just flat out wrong.


For the rest of the season, that suggested trade is pretty ok.

For the future, that trade is horrible, because they lose the main asset.

Generally teams are not built for the present day, unless you're a contender, which Habs is not. Therefore, the consequences of that move are pretty terrible in longer scale.
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29 jan à 16h50
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Of all the Maatta to MTL trades, this one makes the most sense. Good job.

Lehkonen is good player but Habs currently have a gluten of wingers and not many quality LHD. So this would be beneficial to both teams. Lehkonen's next contract should get him into the high two mils so the Habs would be taking on more cap but given that we have tons of it and that by default, dmen have more value than wingers so you'd have to concede a little there. IMO
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29 jan à 16h52
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Quoting: F50marco
Of all the Maatta to MTL trades, this one makes the most sense. Good job.

Lehkonen is good player but Habs currently have a gluten of wingers and not many quality LHD. So this would be beneficial to both teams. Lehkonen's next contract should get him into the high two mils so the Habs would be taking on more cap but given that we have tons of it and that by default, dmen have more value than wingers so you'd have to concede a little there. IMO


Thanks. I also thought that this move would be beneficial for both participants, position-wise.
29 jan à 16h52
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Quoting: jpsnow13
IF HABS wanted Brassard, and they don't, they could just wait july 1st and GET IT FOR FREE. Until Brassard is signed he has no value for Montreal, try Winnipeg...


A French speaking 2C that produces offensively and is a good defender? Guarantee Montreal has some interest in that.
Or instead of waiting till July 1 (when the risk of him signing somewhere else is far greater) they get at the deadline for a playoff push. Brassard is also a very good playoff performer. Montreal's centre depth severely lacks playoff experience. Then Montreal sees how the fit is with Brassard and can judge his value better for a new contract. Teams get guys at the deadline all the time that they would like in free agency, those extra few months are a lot of time to talk new contract.
29 jan à 16h56
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
For the rest of the season, that suggested trade is pretty ok.

For the future, that trade is horrible, because they lose the main asset.

Generally teams are not built for the present day, unless you're a contender, which Habs is not. Therefore, the consequences of that move are pretty terrible in longer scale.


What main asset? The 2nd? .. they have the option to sign Brassard for the future and get that young NHL left handed dman that they need that's signed for term. They give up a bottom pairing dman and a 3C.. that doesn't exactly hurt their long term future when they also have guys like Domi and Kotkaniemi as the future 1C and 2C already
29 jan à 16h59
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Quoting: jonesryan
A French speaking 2C that produces offensively and is a good defender?


You mean Danault? LoL

You really dont get it, do you... Brassard will hit the market and sign wherever he wants. And Habs will have lost 2 centers in 6 months, just to take a chance of winning one playoff round. Horrible decision. NEXT.
29 jan à 17h05
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Quoting: jonesryan
What main asset? The 2nd? .. they have the option to sign Brassard for the future and get that young NHL left handed dman that they need that's signed for term. They give up a bottom pairing dman and a 3C.. that doesn't exactly hurt their long term future when they also have guys like Domi and Kotkaniemi as the future 1C and 2C already


Let's make a deal. Let's wait July first and IF Brassard signs with MTL, THEN Habs will trade you Danault for Maata.... No, wait, still not a fair deal.
29 jan à 17h12
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mhockey91
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5 stars. Lot of these guys have no idea what their talking about. That’s a great trade for both teams. I think kulak could be a late bloomer and May look really good on pit
29 jan à 17h14
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mhockey91
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Quoting: jpsnow13
Let's make a deal. Let's wait July first and IF Brassard signs with MTL, THEN Habs will trade you Danault for Maata.... No, wait, still not a fair deal.


A 3C for a top 4D? Sounds pretty fair to me. Habs may not make it cause they love danault, but the value is pretty good
29 jan à 17h24
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Quoting: mhockey91
A 3C for a top 4D? Sounds pretty fair to me. Habs may not make it cause they love danault, but the value is pretty good


If Maata was a top 4 dman, PIT would keep him. He is not. Danault is a 3rd liner playing on MTL 2nd line, as Maata is a 3rd pairing playing on PIT 2nd pairing.
29 jan à 17h43
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mhockey91
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Quoting: jpsnow13
If Maata was a top 4 dman, PIT would keep him. He is not. Danault is a 3rd liner playing on MTL 2nd line, as Maata is a 3rd pairing playing on PIT 2nd pairing.


He doesn’t fit our system and pens messed up signing Johnson. Had GMJR not signed that pylon pens would be able to keep maatta but due to cap, they’ll probably be forced to move him. He’s a good bottom 4 D meaning he can play anywhere from #3 to #6 depending the team.
29 jan à 19h05
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Quoting: mhockey91
He doesn’t fit our system and pens messed up signing Johnson. Had GMJR not signed that pylon pens would be able to keep maatta but due to cap, they’ll probably be forced to move him. He’s a good bottom 4 D meaning he can play anywhere from #3 to #6 depending the team.


How many 3C produce 50-60 points and good as Bergeron defensively ?
29 jan à 19h47
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mhockey91
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Quoting: Poehling
How many 3C produce 50-60 points and good as Bergeron defensively ?


#1- this is the first year he’s ever produced at that pace. He’s normally around a 40 point pace. Everyone on the Habs is having a career year.
#2- no way he’s even close to as good as Bergeron defensively haha
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29 jan à 20h51
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Quoting: mhockey91
#1- this is the first year he’s ever produced at that pace. He’s normally around a 40 point pace. Everyone on the Habs is having a career year.
#2- no way he’s even close to as good as Bergeron defensively haha


Close, and he’s only 25yo. Is game improve
29 jan à 23h34
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mhockey91
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Quoting: Poehling
Close, and he’s only 25yo. Is game improve


definitely not. He’s a very good player I’m not denying that. Similar to faska. but Bergeron is a hall of famer. Can’t start comparing him defensive game to an all time great
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